I recently have had somewhat of a change in how I think about people who have "freaky" desires. I used to view it in a sort of clinical way. Now I am coming to view it as a choice, kind of like how some men prefer dark nipples and some prefer light. However, I introduced a female friend (totally platonic) to the word "hate fuck" yesterday, which of course spawned a longer conversation. She had a particular stance on women who like to be called "dirty slut" or otherwise demeaned. I don't know if you guys have heard this theory before, but it's what I used to think: Society causes people to feel bad about sex, so that guilt becomes associated with sex. The result is that the shame becomes as much of a turn-on ... as the sex itself. Hence the humiliation/punishment fetish. No doubt I have insulted someone; I don't mean to. No one needs to "defend themselves to me" or to anyone else, especially in this forum. For those submissive "freaks" who are not offended, allow me to ask: do you think this is a plausible explanation for your fascination with humiliation? Or is it just inexplicable, a random aesthetic, like brown vs. pink nipples?