Discussion in 'Fitness & Nutrition' started by CrackityJones, Jun 2, 2008.
yea, fuck that article and the research behind it
oh and fuck the blog to
so does watching lifetime tv shows.
I don't use soap when I take my weekly shower.
thats why pro body builders use dove.
low test is the new cancer....everything causes it
You just lost some by posting in FN. HA HA.
only F&N would worry about this
sweet, couple more nmol/L closer to joining the HRT crew
I use one of those soaps. Good thing I perform testes slaps to counteract the low test soap.
who the hell even conducts a study like this and why?
Hrrrrmmmmm anti bac soap....or staph....I think I'll take the soap.
did you read the article?
says it was conducted by "Mystery Guest" and "Mike", still looking for answers i guess
Thats why everyone should supplement their testosterone
actually the study found the opposite, which might mean that using triclocarban containing products may increase androgenic activity (this would probably be most important with respect to body hair and hair loss)
1: Endocrinology. 2008 Mar;149(3):1173-9. Epub 2007 Nov 29. Links
Triclocarban enhances testosterone action: a new type of endocrine disruptor?
Chen J, Ahn KC, Gee NA, Ahmed MI, Duleba AJ, Zhao L, Gee SJ, Hammock BD, Lasley BL.
Center for Health and the Environment, University of California, Davis, California 95616, USA.
Many xenobiotics have been associated with endocrine effects in a wide range of biological systems. These associations are usually between small nonsteroid molecules and steroid receptor signaling systems. In this report, triclocarban (TCC; 3,4,4'-trichlorocarbanilide), a common ingredient in personal care products that is used as an antimicrobial agent was evaluated and found to represent a new category of endocrine-disrupting substance. A cell-based androgen receptor-mediated bioassay was used to demonstrate that TCC and other urea compounds with a similar structure, which have little or no endocrine activity when tested alone, act to enhance testosterone (T)-induced androgen receptor-mediated transcriptional activity in vitro. This amplification effect of TCC was also apparent in vivo when 0.25% TCC was added to the diet of castrated male rats that were supported by exogenous testosterone treatment for 10 d. All male sex accessory organs increased significantly in size after the T+TCC treatment, compared with T or TCC treatments alone. The data presented here suggest that the bioactivity of endogenous hormones may be amplified by exposure to commercial personal care products containing sufficient levels of TCC.
now triclosan on the other hand appears to have anti-estrogenic and anti-androgenic effects at some doses, with estrogenic effects at higher doses.
i stay away from anti-bacterial soap for other reason's, ie, that .01% of resistant bacteria that survive will have plenty of room and food to multiply since the rest have been wiped out
An antimicrobial ingredient in some soap may sap your testosterone levels, say University of California at Davis scientists.
stopped reading at bold.
made it further then I did, I stopped at
thank god i bath in Aifm
AIFM and other aromatase inhibitors are quite beneficial for reducing estrogen produced endogenously (either from endogenous or exogenous substrates T, andro, estrone, etc).
compounds like these exert their influence directly, some things like DDT which is still present in rediculously high concentrations in some areas, are potent agonist of the estrogen receptor. Other compounds may have weak estrogenic or even no activity at the estrogen receptor but inhibit sulfotranferase, so that more free estrone is present to be converted to estradiol. Others yet still modulate transcription of the various receptors including the ER and AR. Some amplifying, other muting.
So while aromatase inhibitors can help, because the offset in endogenous levels can usually counteract the exogenous exposure (which also includes the massive amounts of BCP's that end up in the water supply, even AFTER filtration) they are just part of the solution.
avoiding exposure to exogenous estrogens and endocrine disruptors, whenever possible, is generally a good idea. Completely avoiding them is pretty much impossible, but you can limit a good deal of exposure.