Anyone want another routine to try, one thats aggressive and brutal but anyone can do it with right nutrition and a brain that works at least 12 hours a day. It will be one more geared toward building thick dense tissue and split up with a refinement cycle as well. 6 days on one off.. 3 very heavy low volume basic movements, 3 medium/light days with accessory and shaping pump style volume and movements. If you think you will overtrain, think again you have to know wtf training is before you can say you overtrain. Its a term fitness fucks and internet superstars penned. You can run down your cns and burn out joints but thats all from idiot form, to heavy for your level, stimulant overload, etc. If you train within your genetic limits and eat right you should never have an issue, plus a week off every 12 weeks(3 months) is the best thing you can do. Its a week off from EVERYTHING, eat however, party however, just clear your head and fuck the gym for a WHOLE week. OMG a week, what will bar pumpers do on club night.. do some pushups before you go in, or stay inside til next weekend and cry. I dont care just dont train or stress tissue. Wear 7 shirts if you think you shrunk or just grow up and not worry about your biceps. If you think you need them to get girls, just save yourself the time and buy a hooker and fire up WOW. God forbid you work overly hard to achieve something. Rome wasnt built in a day but it could have been with a good diet and routine plus a shit load of test. And if you want a sample medium cycle included fuck it, i will put one up. You guys tell me what you want to see and ill include some of it if i think its worthy and doable. oh and btw, go fuck yourselfs I didnt miss you and im sad your all still alive. Peace out, and some words of Pur wisdom..lol... oxymoron Remember running your mouth, pushing your luck or jumping to conclusions isnt exercise or training, its a good way to get your dirt doughnut penetrated with an olympic bar lubed with naval jelly. Ill check back in here either tomorrow or next year. Im kidding in here for the newbs who dont know, I miss you guys greatly but my horror show is coming to an end soon and I will lay it all out here for anyone who wants to know where and what i been doing. If anyone truly wants to speak to me talk to demonhawk, joed, or gtlifter they know how to get me quick and been helpinf me during my shit life. Thanks for your patience guys. I do check pms still and i do watch and report when i see things if anyone cares.