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XO

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you can do a bit better than cmmg for under 1k i'll post some stuff when i have time later
 

XO

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do you have a stripped lower?

are you looking to build the upper yourself or do you want a complete upper?

fixed front sight or do you want a free float handguard?
 
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Jerry Gallow

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do you have a stripped lower?

are you looking to build the upper yourself or do you want a complete upper?

fixed front sight or do you want a free float handguard?

Plan is picked up a stripped lower, parts kit and complete upper. I've seen mixed thoughts on buying a cheap cheaper lower vs. name brand. I've read the del-ton parts kit seems to be best bang for the buck. I'm totally lost on uppers. I've been trying to research different types but haven't really had time do to finals. Came on here to try and get a crash course.
 

TysonLee

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do what i do. im building a rifle slowly. right now its fishing season for me. i love fishing and buying gear i dont need :o. when im not fishing, ill look online for good deals on parts and order them when i find them. im in no hurry to build a rifle. originally i was going to build a budget rifle but im guessing by the time im done, the price of my rifle will be well over 1k. but i wont feel so bad because i wont be spending 1k all at one time :mamoru:
 

XO

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I woke up to 400 black listed IPs so I'm kinda busy today. This is more or less just random thoughts, I'll try to reformat it later :o


Decide if you want a fixed front sight or if you want a free float rail. Personally I like the fixed front sights, a free float rail build will cost $200-500 extra when it's all said and done. I also think that quad rails are a waste for most people

The main difference between the standard 16" AR barrel profiles is the weight. From lightest to heaviest: light weight, Gov't profile, M4 Profile. I like the light weight barrels.

Carbine and Mid Length is referring to the gas system, there's not a huge difference but Mid length will have longer handguards, a longer sight radius, slightly heavier and softer recoil compared to the carbine. I prefer mid's but there's absolutely nothing wrong with the carbine length gas system.

16" is the minimum legal barrel length, you can buy a 14.5" barrel and permanently attach (pin + silver solder) a 1.5" flash hider to make it 16". This can limit things later down the road - you will never be able to attach a different flash hider and most surpressors won't work with the 1.5" barrel extensions. It will also add to the cost and you'll only save maybe 1" so I would suggest sticking with the 16".

If you're buying a stripped lower, stick with a basic FORGED lower. I'd only suggest purchasing a billet lower if it comes matched with a billet upper.
 

XO

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Here's an example $800 build:

Daniel Defense 16" Mid-Length Lightweight Profile Barrel (Stripped - No Rail) Upper Receiver Group w/ FSP $409
http://www.smartgunner.com/DD-16-LW-M-STR-URG.aspx

Daniel Defense A1.5 Fixed Rear Sight $65.00 (w/ coupon)
http://www.smartgunner.com/danieldefensea15fixedrearsight.aspx

Daniel Defense Bolt Carrier Group, Complete, F/A, HP & MPI Tested $135
http://www.smartgunner.com/danieldefenseboltcarriergroupcompletefahpandmpitested.aspx

PSA MOE Lower build kit $140
(stock/buffertube/buffer/lpk/grip - you'll still need a handguard)
http://www.palmettostatearmory.com/598.php

You'll still need to get a handguard of some sort, obviously the Magpul MOE midlength in this case which can be found under $30. Theres also a magpul BUIS rear sight that folds down for ~$45 instead of the DD A1.5

I really like the DD lower parts kit ($65 through SG), so I'd actually buy that PSA build kit and also the DD LPK, using the psa lower parts kit as spares.

This is very close to mine:

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Jerry Gallow

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I woke up to 400 black listed IPs so I'm kinda busy today. This is more or less just random thoughts, I'll try to reformat it later :o


Decide if you want a fixed front sight or if you want a free float rail. Personally I like the fixed front sights, a free float rail build will cost $200-500 extra when it's all said and done. I also think that quad rails are a waste for most people

The main difference between the standard 16" AR barrel profiles is the weight. From lightest to heaviest: light weight, Gov't profile, M4 Profile. I like the light weight barrels.

Carbine and Mid Length is referring to the gas system, there's not a huge difference but Mid length will have longer handguards, a longer sight radius, slightly heavier and softer recoil compared to the carbine. I prefer mid's but there's absolutely nothing wrong with the carbine length gas system.

16" is the minimum legal barrel length, you can buy a 14.5" barrel and permanently attach (pin + silver solder) a 1.5" flash hider to make it 16". This can limit things later down the road - you will never be able to attach a different flash hider and most surpressors won't work with the 1.5" barrel extensions. It will also add to the cost and you'll only save maybe 1" so I would suggest sticking with the 16".

If you're buying a stripped lower, stick with a basic FORGED lower. I'd only suggest purchasing a billet lower if it comes matched with a billet upper.

Awesome advice :bigthumb:

What should I be looking for in lowers other than forged? I've seen some on gunbroker for around $60, others around $120 and some around $200.
 

XO

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Awesome advice :bigthumb:

What should I be looking for in lowers other than forged? I've seen some on gunbroker for around $60, others around $120 and some around $200.

That's kind of hard to answer because there's so many different lowers, quality as well as brand names make a difference in the price. They should all be 7075 aluminum

If you're up for doing a FFL transfer then I'd buy like four of these (made by Aero) http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1SASL&search=surplus+arms

I wouldn't spend $70 more on a Rock River Arms (RRA) lower personally, but I would spend $100 more for a BCM/Daniel Defense/Noveske/LMT just to say I had one

You can always buy a more expensive one later
 

XO

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Here are some links to check out, BCM goes out of stock FAST. SmartGunner's pre-made uppers ship in just a few days but their custom builds can take anywhere from 1-3 months. Also note the price on the custom $655.00 SG uppers, those quad rails can cost anywhere from $280-400 on their own.

Red would be my first choice - the $655 SG upper is probably the best deal if you can deal with the wait

Uppers:

BCM BFH 16" Mid Length Upper Receiver Group w/ Daniel Defense LITE 12" Handguard $875
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-16-BFH-Mid-Length-Upper-Receiver-Daniel-p/bcm-urg-mid-16%20bfh%20ddl12.htm

BCM BFH 16" Mid Length (LIGHT WEIGHT) Upper Receiver Group $489
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-...eiver-light-weight-p/bcm-urg-mid-16lw bfh.htm

BCM BFH 16" Mid Length Upper Receiver Group $489
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-BFH-16-Mid-Length-Upper-Receiver-Group-p/bcm-urg-mid-16 bfh.htm

BCM Standard 14.5" M4 (SOCOM) Upper Receiver Group $399
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-Standard-14-5-M4-SOCOM-Upper-Receiver-p/bcm-urg-m4-14socom.htm

Daniel Defense 16" Mid-Length Lightweight Profile Barrel (Stripped - No Rail) Upper Receiver Group w/ FSP $409
http://www.smartgunner.com/DD-16-LW-M-STR-URG.aspx

Daniel Defense 16" Mid-Length Govt Profile Barrel (Stripped - No Rail) Upper Receiver Group w/ FSP
http://www.smartgunner.com/DD-16-GOVT-M-STR-URG-1.aspx

Daniel Defense 16" Carbine Length Lightweight Profile Barrel (Stripped - No Rail) Upper Receiver Group w/ FSP
http://www.smartgunner.com/DD-16-LW-M-STR-URG-2.aspx

Daniel Defense Custom (Stripped - No Rail) Upper Receiver Group $409++
http://www.smartgunner.com/DanielDefenseURG.aspx

Daniel Defense (Build Your Own) Custom Upper Receiver Group $655.00++
http://www.smartgunner.com/DanielDefenseLiteURG.aspx


Lower parts:

PSA MOE Lower build kit $140
(stock/buffertube/buffer/lpk/grip - you'll still need a handguard)
http://www.palmettostatearmory.com/598.php

Daniel Defense Stock Assembly Kit $75
(stock/buffertube/buffer)
http://primaryarms.com/product.sc?productId=498&categoryId=358

Daniel Defense Lower Parts Kit $65.00 (w/ coupon) +++++ Best LPK for the money +++++
(lpk/grip)
http://www.smartgunner.com/danieldefenselowerpartskit.aspx

Daniel Defense Bolt Carrier Group, Complete, F/A, HP & MPI Tested $135 (w/ coupon)
http://www.smartgunner.com/danieldefenseboltcarriergroupcompletefahpandmpitested.aspx


Daniel Defense Charging Handle Assembly $22 (w/ coupon) - I'd order this if you buy an upper from SG
http://www.smartgunner.com/danieldefensecharginghandleassembly.aspx

BCM usually gives a discount on their bad ass BCM Gunfighter charging handles if you buy an upper from them
 
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Jerry Gallow

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fantastic XO, who knew that OT was full of helpful ppl.

two questions:
1. I've read that the carbine upper has more parts available for cheaper prices than a
midlength...any truth to that?

2. I really like That daniel defense upper for 409. does it include a bolt carrier? do any of them include the bolt carrier or is That additional
 

Radicus

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Jul 5, 2005
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Free State
Midlength should have all the same parts available at the same price....

No, that price does not include the BCG.
 

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