discuss. I don't know if I get teh full effect from the Arnolds. I can't use a whole lot of weight because its very awkward having that infront of me like that. I've tried using 80's but that is too heavy. I tend to shift forward to much and sway a bit Military presses I'm all go. I like the drive and the control I have on teh negative. Where do you guys bring it down to? If BB I bring it just to my ears, and DB I bring my arms to 90 degrees.