Discussion in 'Fitness & Nutrition' started by NUDES, Sep 11, 2007.
Hoornstra = strongest raw bench presser in the world.
Here's him doing 260 for 40 reps @ 240-245 lb's
how the fuck does he do those reps with his head off the bench
didnt think you were coming back, ill guess ill change it
Interesting how Hoornstra does no special work of any kind. No bands, no chains, no boards, no magic routine.
Interesting also, Sam Byrd said on another forum:
"i dont do any box or pause squats, good mornings, rack pulls, reverse hypers, bands or chains. i dont train with any breifs of suits, ever. if i put it on im checking my max, and that just 3 or 4 weeks out from a meet,"
Pretty interesting. Seems simple = best. Lifters, especially raw, drowning themselves in 5 board presses, rack lockouts, high rack pulls, box squats, complicated splits, etc.. maybe doing more harm than good.
495x3 for behind the back presses
his deadlift seems a little weak for someone who can do a bent row with almost 600 lbs
that makes me feel good because i have no access to bands, chains, etc lol
Yeah his DL is weak for his bench.. but he doesn't train to DL a lot. His focus is the bench.
And he is the best at it. The record is 715 @ SHW raw bench. He recently did 650 @ 242-250lb's I believe.
If he puts on more weight he'd hold the raw record.. and I don't think he'd need near a SHW to do it.
I guess you could say he's basically old school. I have all that shit at my gym but maybe use it 10% of the time I goif I ever use anything its for a change.....
I think kenelly is just as good.
Fucking A. NUDES, why do you post these freaks?
There is no better way to make your average hardworking bodybuilder feel like shit than posting vids of guys like Hoornstra and saying "Look, all it really takes is a simple routine and devotion."
what are nosebreakers?
I want to see those hang cleans. There is a dude that plays for Louisville that hang cleans 400; I don't know how many reps, though.
Yeah Kennely is a beast. Definitely way up there. Hoornstra > Kennely though.
For every guy who gets there with simple routines like this, there is another guy who gets there doing complicated shit.
My guess is that it all works, if you give yourself the right amount of intensity, devotion, calories, sleep and in this guys case... dosage.
Yes, this is true.. to a degree.
Let's take you for example. This is no flame, believe it or not.. but truth be told, there should really be no rack pulls, board presses, rack lockouts, or a single band or chain in your routine. In my opinion, anyway. Focus on mastering the basic lifts before you get too excited and start doing specific work like the above.
What happens is that lower level lifters get too complicated, lack range of motion and significant volume, and make shitty progress. The whole mantra of "man bodybuilders train so stupid!!" is a bit overblown by Testosterone magazine and the like. The standard bodybuilding routine will have more range of motion, more compound movements, and more volume than a lot of the PL routines raw lifters are on.
But in general you're right.. the most important thing is your dedication and willingness to work hard.
It is somewhat interesting though that so many people do not seem to realize that "Westside Barbell" training methods that are accepted and used by the internet are intended for the heavily geared lifter. That is.. 3-5 board presses, tons of focus on lockout, tons and tons of box squats, little focus on shoulders, chest, etc. Essentially tremendous focus on the portion of any given lift where gear is not in play (lockout in a bench press, squat, etc.)
This is not what they actually do at Westside, but what people have come to interpret through articles on the internet.
NUDES for mod
The only people who know what goes on at Westside are those that train there... they are also the only people that train "Westside."
I was talking to Matt Wenning a few weeks ago... he said its comical how many people call up and say "hey I just started Westside an..." he'll cut em off and say, "Really? I usually meet all the new members"
Nudes is right...
I mean, come on, does it make sense for a person to box squat when they can't free squat? Does it make sense to do a board press when your bench press form sucks?
Unless you have performed a shit load of full ROM lifts, your better of not touching shit like boxes and boards for anything other than an assistance movement.
People will benefit infinitely by just doing basic ass shit, my form and lifts have become much more SOLID and better by just doing them.
Yes now if you could only take your own advice
You obviously fail to read my training log..