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the_antsy_honda

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we're also potentially on the verge of a standards shift, so overall platform longevity on spending a bunch on a PSU you don't need the capacity for right now isn't necessarily a futureproofing move.
 

the_antsy_honda

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well, i could have done with a less expensive motherboard, for one. but i guess everything else is on par for market builds.
if you're going to be spending a lot on the system, then sure go for it. but then you should prob just get the 13900k or ks then and go all out.

i would absolutely not be getting last gen in this scenario. Or locked CPUs in general.
 

the_antsy_honda

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I mean a $200 motherboard will get you the same performance out of a locked intel chip than you will from a $600 one, there's just not really any point to spending that much on it unless the I/O differences are that meaningful to you. And the cheapest boards now all come with at least 3 m.2 slots anyway.

You'd be better off shifting that cost difference onto upgrading a different part for more performance/usability. Like a better monitor, a bigger storage drive, etc.
 
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I mean a $200 motherboard will get you the same performance out of a locked intel chip than you will from a $600 one, there's just not really any point to spending that much on it unless the I/O differences are that meaningful to you. And the cheapest boards now all come with at least 3 m.2 slots anyway.

You'd be better off shifting that cost difference onto upgrading a different part for more performance/usability. Like a better monitor, a bigger storage drive, etc.

i mainly got that board for 10gb LAN.

and i don't have a 10gb network switch right now, what do you think that means.....
 
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But since you already got the expensive mobo....you may as whale just get the highest end other components to justify :cool:

right, i want to future proof this so i don't have to worry about it later. should i just switch to the i9 and be done with it?

i'd rather change out a PSU vs a CPU. CPU is seen as a hardware change and could cause an issue for something else later (windows licensing, bios sees a change/etc...where the power supply is just a new power supply.
 
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i have no clue how you guys stay on top of all this stuff, i typed 4090 into newegg and there were so many options, i just can't tell which one is which, which is better, etc....many, many years ago i was able to keep up, but it seems that there is such a big shift and i've never been a PC gamer, as long as i had a working PC that was fast enough for what i was using it for, i was happy.

i feel like there is so much stuff out there, today.
 

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right, i want to future proof this so i don't have to worry about it later. should i just switch to the i9 and be done with it?

i'd rather change out a PSU vs a CPU. CPU is seen as a hardware change and could cause an issue for something else later (windows licensing, bios sees a change/etc...where the power supply is just a new power supply.
usually that's tied to mobo for windows, not cpu

but as far as cpus go....of course as you know often as you go up the stack there's diminishing returns

i7 13700k
8 p cores, 8 e cores
5.5ghz p core, 4.2ghz e-core
24mb L2 cache
30mb L3 cache

i9-13900k
8 pc ores, 16 e cores
5.8ghz p core, 4.3ghz e core
32mb L2 cache
36mb L3 cache

i9-13900ks
same as bove, just 200mhz more P-core frequency; mostly meaningless

in practice in most tasks the practical performance difference is zero; unless your app can actually leverage all those baby cores they're useless
 

the_antsy_honda

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i have no clue how you guys stay on top of all this stuff, i typed 4090 into newegg and there were so many options, i just can't tell which one is which, which is better, etc....many, many years ago i was able to keep up, but it seems that there is such a big shift and i've never been a PC gamer, as long as i had a working PC that was fast enough for what i was using it for, i was happy.

i feel like there is so much stuff out there, today.
we don't have sex
 

the_antsy_honda

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if we're being honest here though you don't need any of that based on what you've said so far.

the concept of futureproofing is kind of dead these days in a lot of ways; if you compare the rate of improvement on parts the past 5 years vs the 5 years before it, it is huge.

in another 5 years none of the shit we buy right now is going to matter. it wasn't so for the 5 years before the last 5 years.
 
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4080 is not worth the price compared to the 4090 which has huge performance gains over it

problem is getting a 4090 that's not marked up to hell and back. It's supposed to be $1699

i don't need a GPU right now, i can hold off on that, but at some point i'll likely want one just to be 'done' with the PC for the time being.

if i did get the 4090, which power supply should i pair it with? in the 1300 watt range?
 
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if we're being honest here though you don't need any of that based on what you've said so far.

the concept of futureproofing is kind of dead these days in a lot of ways; if you compare the rate of improvement on parts the past 5 years vs the 5 years before it, it is huge.

in another 5 years none of the shit we buy right now is going to matter. it wasn't so for the 5 years before the last 5 years.

that's a good point, i guess time will tell. tech is advancing a lot faster now than it did when i built my last pc.

i'll probably stick with the i7 and a PSU in the 850-1000 watt range and if i do get a GPU, i'll deal with upgrading the PSU at that time. before i know it this build will already be 3 years old and who knows what will be out there.

based on what your saying i probably won't be able to use anything in this current system (the one i'm building now) in 3 years :rofl:
 

the_antsy_honda

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i don't need a GPU right now, i can hold off on that, but at some point i'll likely want one just to be 'done' with the PC for the time being.

if i did get the 4090, which power supply should i pair it with? in the 1300 watt range?

even that's too much if you aren't OCing with custom bioses.

The 4090 is way more efficient than the previous generation.

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it's 60% faster than the 3090ti at ~10% less power.
 

the_antsy_honda

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that's a good point, i guess time will tell. tech is advancing a lot faster now than it did when i built my last pc.

i'll probably stick with the i7 and a PSU in the 850-1000 watt range and if i do get a GPU, i'll deal with upgrading the PSU at that time. before i know it this build will already be 3 years old and who knows what will be out there.

based on what your saying i probably won't be able to use anything in this current system (the one i'm building now) in 3 years :rofl:
you'll still be able to use it but its not worth the money invested today vs what will be available in the future.
 
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If get this one if you aren't planning on a $1500-$2000 GPU



how about this because it is black vs white and will match / be less noticeable in the case?
 
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like, if i were telling someone to buy a PC to play comfortably any game or complete any workload today without breaking the bank, it would be something like this:


PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2K3vxs

CPU: Intel Core i5-13600K 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor ($319.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool CASTLE 280EX 97.03 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z790 UD AC ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($199.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL36 Memory ($136.00 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($159.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: XFX RX-79TMBABF9 Radeon RX 7900 XT 20 GB Video Card ($879.99 @ Best Buy)
Case: Phanteks Eclipse P400A Digital ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair RM850x (2021) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($134.99 @ Best Buy)
Total: $2020.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-01-24 11:46 EST-0500

sub out the 7900XT for 4070ti, or a 7700x/b650 for the 13600k/z790 as you choose
 
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like, if i were telling someone to buy a PC to play comfortably any game or complete any workload today without breaking the bank, it would be something like this:


PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2K3vxs

CPU: Intel Core i5-13600K 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor ($319.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool CASTLE 280EX 97.03 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z790 UD AC ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($199.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL36 Memory ($136.00 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($159.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: XFX RX-79TMBABF9 Radeon RX 7900 XT 20 GB Video Card ($879.99 @ Best Buy)
Case: Phanteks Eclipse P400A Digital ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair RM850x (2021) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($134.99 @ Best Buy)
Total: $2020.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-01-24 11:46 EST-0500

sub out the 7900XT for 4070ti, or a 7700x/b650 for the 13600k/z790 as you choose

w/o a video card, i'm just under $1500 on my current build, i'm fine with that.
 

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