Discussion in 'On Topic' started by tommybilt, Feb 5, 2006.
Want a shotgun for target and home defense. a lil help?
Remington 870 or Mossberg 500, depending on where you like your safety.
Mossberg, but personally I think your better off with two one for HD duty and one for target, a good home defense setup will not be good for target, and a target setup shotgun will be unwieldly trying to move around the house.
there really is no happy median there.
If you really want the best of both worlds, get a Mossberg 500a combo. Comes with a 28" Vent Rib bbl w/mod choke for hunting/skeet/clay and an 18.5" cylinder bore bbl for home defense. It literally takes me less than 30 seconds to change the barrels. Hell, it probably takes no more than 20sec. to change it.
I guess it depends on what you mean by "target". If you want to shoot clays with it then yeah you should probably get two gun or at least two barrels. If you just want something to tear holes in paper then a shorty is fine. I "target" (pattern) shoot my 18" 870 with 00 at 7 & 25 yards, and can do decent with slugs @ 50 yards with just a bead site.
Depends on how good you are too.
Vermincelli can shoot clays with his Mossberg 590. (he took me for $100 bucks the first time). Clusive is right though, get the combo set and have both barrels.
That mossberg 500a sounds like a good set up.
I love my Moss 590.
I just bought an 870 about 3-4 weeks ago that I was planning on using for home defense AND sport clay/trap/skeet, but I didn't realize how unwieldy the thing was until I got it home, it's got a 26" barrel. I'm probably just going to buy another one for HD rather than spend $100+ on a new 18" barrel.
I just bought a mossberg 500 with pistol grip yesterday. Its awesome.
I kinda wish I'd considered an ar-15 before my shotgun for home defense. Just something you might want to think about.
I would never use my AR-15 for home defense unless it was some extreme zombie/katria type of scenario.
Because the barrels are so ridiculously expensive and the shotguns themselves are so ridiculously cheap.
If you can afford it. What's the problem?
I'm swayed the other way I think, a 5.56 round should be less lethal through walls than 00 buck if you miss, you can't mess up the stroke going for the 2nd shot, it might be lighter, 30 rounds, if luck really isn't on your side and they have armor you're better off. Its a tradeoff over delivering 9 pieces of shot at once, but I think it would be very effective.
Actually, 5.56/.223 rounds will go through plenty of walls, but what makes them a bad choice for HD (IMO) is that they will tumble after hitting the first wall and then the path of the bullet will become erratic and then you'll have no idea where it's going to go.
Oh it definately will, but as far as I can tell 5.56 should still penetrate less than walls than suitable buck loads. If that means it just goes 1 room over and not 2 rooms over, thats still better if not ideal. The tumbling doesn't bother me as much either, if anything I'll be aiming central mass and it might go lower being less dangerous to others in the next room over. Also for example on the first BOT link, notice the enormous spread of the buck shot on the last wall.
If I had to stand a room or two over from the someone getting shot, I'd rather they be using a ar-15 than a smg or shotgun with 00 buck. The round will likely stirke me lower, there will be fewer rounds coming through the wall in a smaller pattern, and they'll have less penetrative power than the buckshot when they make it through the wall.
Ymmv and all that, the shotgun is certainly the historical king of home defense, but to me sites like BOT just show me the advantages of the 5.56 over 00 buck for home defense.
Never question Accord
or he'll delete the thread?
Mossberg sells a 500 combo package that comes with a 18" and 26"bbl for about $200.