Discussion in 'On Topic' started by Blip, Apr 9, 2008.
That's it, I'm moving to FL.
I don't agree with it, it is an infringement of property rights.
Individual rights FTW.
I'm kinda confused. It says you'd need a permit to have it locked in your car, but doesn't FL law already allow you to do that without a permit?
I get that this is about businesses and private property and such, but I never realized it was an issue.
QFT. I want to insist you wear a chicken suit to work that should be my right If you don't like it, don't work for me.
So infringing on my individual right to run my business as I want is allowable?
If you can guarantee you can protect me in your parking lot and on your property, I'll leave my gun at home.
Imagine this scenereo - You work the late shift at work and need to drive through some questionable areas to get to work. This bill says that if you have a carry permit, you are allowed to keep a gun in your car for the drive. It doesn't say anything about actually bringing a gun into work. The employer still can make that decision.
Without this law, many people who have carry permits cannot keep their gun with them on the drive to and from work. If you need to drive through the ghetto at 2AM to get to work, your SOL. Just keep your windows up and hope for the best
Will your employer ride in the car to and from work each day (regardless of the distance or time of day) and guarantee your safety then?
Of course not.
Since when are you required to work there?
If you dislike the policy, find a different place to work.
Sorry, there is no requirement for you to be on the property or work there. Your rights don't override his for his property.
You're kind of a cunt when it comes to this shit, aren't you?
you allow me carry on campus next.
not exactly 2nd in the bill of rights not constitution
Yet it's being stored inside the employees personal property. What about their property rights?
I can understand in the building, but not allowing me to be able to store my gun in my CAR, even if I have a permit... that's stupid.
What makes you think you can park on someones private parking lot? I can't roll up on your drive way and park my car, that violates your rights.
You have no basic right to work at someone elses business. So your rights don't trump the rights of the business owners rights to establish whatever rules they like for their business.
Would I establish this rule if I had my own business? No, I wouldn't.
Well, being a security guard for a company that does not allow guns, I kindly disagree with that.
I see your point, I just disagree with it. In the building, yes. In the parking lot, in the car, with the proper permit... no.
Problem is, for most (but not all) businesses, a parking lot is a publicly accessible place. Which means that unless you've gated the mofo off or something, anyone can legally be in or on the parking lot, or passing through it, as long as there's no preexisting condition preventing them (i.e. court order) from being there.
Why are you against a person's right to self-defense in a publicly accessible area?
I do agree that a property owner, e.g. a business owner, should be able to set the rules on their private property, but generally that applies to the actually private areas.
I can't prevent my neighbor from carrying on my unfenced front yard if he takes a few steps onto it, but I can keep him from carrying in the house if I choose to.
This is similar.
Louisiana has this same kind of bill proposed right now
I see what you're saying, but I definitely don't agree.
If I'm parking on that lot because I'm working at that business, then I have permission to be there. What is legally in my vehicle is none of their business. If someone has my permission to park in my driveway, it is not up to me to regulate what they have in their car. IMO that is two totally different scenarios, one you have permission to park there the other you don't.
I agree that they should be able to regulate what comes in the private areas of their property, but I disagree about the parking lot since like Garand said it's a public place.
I'm not sure that I'd agree, the lack of gates doesn't mean the lot is intended for public use or acceptable for it. Just because they don't tow you for parking there doesn't its for the general public use. If my office building has a parking lot I think its fair to assume that its my property for my employees to use and not there because I love the community and want to give them spaces to park. And you certainly can keep your neighbor from carrying on your unfenced yard. If you think he's carrying you can ask him to lift his shirt, if he refuses you tell him to leave. Thats the same thing we're talking about here. This law is the equivelant of saying you can't ask your neighbor to lift his shirt if he wants to be on your front lawn. Screw that, its your lawn, you can demand he sing "I'm a little teapot" if you like. My property, my rules, freedom is just over the property line.
You must have me mistaken for someone else, I disagree entirely. My private property, I make the rules. You're free to go anytime. What is in your car is none of their business, but it isn't the governments job to play big brother (har) and demand they stop picking on you. It shouldn't be the governments job to tell me I can't hang a sign on the front door that says "no whities" or demand all my waitresses dress like strippers. The solution to all of these problems is very simple and needs no government.