GUN Gun powder ban! MUST READ!!

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  1. Eugene Wildwood

    Eugene Wildwood Foxbody for life!

    Aug 19, 2004
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    Balad, Iraq
    EVERYONE THAT IS A SHOOTER MUST GO TO THIS WEBSITE AND RESPOND. I just got off the phone with a very nice gentleman at OSHA concerning this matter about 29 CFR 1910.109. He stated that it is VERY important that everyone go to this website and comment on the proposed changes. I forget his name, but his phone number is 202-693-2255. Call and make a comment to him IN ADDITION TO responding on this website: then choose option 4, select DOCUMENT ID, then type in OSHA-2007-0032-0001. When the document title comes up, go to the right side of the screen and click on COMMENTS ADD / DUE BY 7/12/07. To date, there are only 17 commments.


    Powder Shipping Ban LONG 29 CFR 1910.109

    Date: Mon 2 Jul 2007 8:33 am

    Over on the CSP Reloading Bench Forum Scota4570 posted a notice about the Occupational Safety & Health Administration (OSHA) draconian new proposed rules on explosives. The proposed rule aims to enhance the protections provided to employees working in the manufacturing, storage, sale, transportation, handling, and use of explosives. PLEASE NOTE the proposed rules also covers ammunition, Black Powder, Smokeless Powder, and Primers. Also, OSHA says they are explosives therefore OSHA is not preempted by ATF regulations. There's more and I know this should get your attention - OSHA is going to a UN classification system that’s called the Globally Harmonized System of Classification and Labeling of Chemicals (GHS).
    I scanned the proposed rules (it is a book and written in your typical governmentese) and offer the following example from the proposed rule:
    " Revised Definitions
    ...Explosive...small arms ammunition, small arms
    Ammunition primers, smokeless propellant, cartridges for propellant-actuated power devices, and cartridges for industrial guns."
    Guys, the Brady bunch couldn't have done a better job in writing the proposed rule.
    I sent an email to the NRA and one of the larger ammunition component manufacturers and asked if they were aware of the proposed rule. The NRA hasn't responded but the manufacturer did. In their email (please note I can't identify them or quote their email per their request) they said they were aware and the entire industry is gearing up to fight.
    This is a BIG deal and I thank Scota4570 for bringing it to my attention.
    Two more things:
    Go to for Scota4570 take on the proposed rules. Note: Comments for the proposed rules are due to OSHA 7/12/07. Those of you that can - please read the proposed rules and send a comment to OSHA. I think they have a solution to a nonexistent problem. I was in communication security for 36 years and we used to joke that the best communication security was where there was no communications. I think that is OSHA's approach.

    Last: Is the NRA sleeping? OSHA posted the new rules on 4/13/07. I checked the NRA "Alerts" and didn't see anything about the proposed rule. Please contact them and ask what is going on.

    Re: Powder Shipping Ban

    Posted By: Scota4570 <Send E-Mail>
    Date: Fri 29 Jun 2007 3:44 pm

    In Response To: Re: Powder Shipping Ban (Scota4570)

    I took the time to pare it down to the Reader's digest version:

    VIII. State Plan Standards

    OSHA invites comments on all aspects of the proposed rule. ….

    You may submit comments in response to this document (1)
    electronically at, which is the Federal

    Comments and submissions in response to this Federal Register
    notice are posted without change at

    Electronic copies of this Federal Register document are available

    other relevant information, also are available at OSHA's Web page at

    Blasting agents, Explosives, Health, Occupational safety and
    health, Pyrotechnics, Safety.

    XII. Authority and Signature

    Signed at Washington, DC on April 4, 2007.
    Edwin G. Foulke, Jr.,
    Assistant Secretary of Labor for Occupational Safety and Health.

    XIII. Amendments to Standards

    For the reasons set forth in the preamble, OSHA proposes to amend
    Part 1910 of Title 29 of the Code of Federal Regulations as follows:

    PART 1910--[AMENDED]

    Sec. 1910.109 Explosives.

    (a) Scope. (1) This section applies to the manufacture, storage,
    sale, transportation, handling, and use of explosives, including
    blasting agents and pyrotechnics.

    Explosive means any device, or liquid or solid chemical compound or
    mixture, the primary or common purpose of which is to function by

    (i) The term ``explosive'' includes all material included as a
    Class 1 explosive by DOT in accordance with 49 CFR chapter I. The term
    includes, but is not limited to, dynamite, black powder, pellet
    powders, detonators, blasting agents, initiating explosives, blasting
    caps, safety fuse, fuse lighters, fuse igniters, squibs, cordeau
    detonant fuse, instantaneous fuse, igniter cord, igniters,
    pyrotechnics, special industrial explosive materials, small arms
    ammunition, small arms ammunition primers, smokeless propellant,

    (Ammo and Smokeless powder are now upgraded in hazard designation to the same as real explosives like det’ chord and dynamite)

    (c) General provisions. (1) Explosives hazards. The employer shall
    ensure the following:

    (ii) Only persons trained in accordance with paragraph (j) of this
    section handle or use explosives;

    (This means the UPS guy can not transport them)

    (3) Fire and Explosion Prevention. (i) The employer shall ensure

    (C) No person carries firearms, ammunition, or similar articles in
    facilities containing explosives or blast sites except as required for
    work duties; and

    ( Bye-Bye indoor shooting range, in a gun shop it is impossible by this)


    (iii) Explosives are not transferred from one vehicle to another
    without informing local fire and police departments. A competent person
    shall supervise the transfer of explosives. In the event of breakdown
    or collision, the local fire and police departments shall be promptly

    (UPS etc. cannot ship under these rules)

    (2) Vehicles. (i) The employer shall ensure that any vehicle used
    to carry explosives:

    (A) Is able to safely carry the designated load;

    (B) Has close-fitting floors; and

    (C) Has wood or other non-sparking materials covering any exposed
    spark-producing metal on the inside of the vehicle body.

    (That does not sound like a UPS truck)

    (C) Except under emergency conditions, no vehicle containing
    explosives is parked before reaching its destination on any public
    street adjacent to or in close proximity to any place of employment;

    (The UPS guy can not leave his truck to deliver other stuff)

    (2) Small arms ammunition. The employer shall ensure that small
    arms ammunition is separated from flammable liquids, flammable solids,
    and oxidizing materials, by a fire barrier wall with at least a 1-hour
    rating or by a distance of at least 25 feet (7.6 m).

    (A gun shop cannot do this)

    (3) Smokeless propellants. (i) The employer shall ensure that:

    (A) All smokeless propellants are stored in shipping containers in
    accordance with DOT regulations at 49 CFR part 173 for smokeless
    propellants; and

    (B) No more than 20 pounds (9.1 kg) of smokeless propellants, in
    containers not to exceed 1 pound (.45 kg), are displayed in a
    commercial establishment.

    (ii) For commercial stocks of smokeless propellants, the employer
    shall ensure the following:

    (A) Quantities over 20 pounds (9.1 kg) and not exceeding 100 pounds
    (45.4 kg) are stored in portable wooden boxes having walls at least 1-
    inch (2.54 cm) thick;)


    (4) Small arms ammunition primers. (i) The employer shall ensure

    (A) Small arms ammunition primers are stored in shipping containers
    in accordance with the applicable regulations of DOT (49 CFR chapter

    (B) Small arms ammunition primers are separated from flammable
    liquids, flammable solids, and oxidizing materials by a fire barrier
    wall with at least a 1-hour rating or by a distance of at least 25 feet
    (7.6 m); and

    (C) No more than 10,000 small arms primers are displayed in a
    commercial establishment.
  2. Otto

    Otto Who the hell do you think I am!?!?!?!

    May 4, 2002
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    as a hazardous material auditor and responder for UPS id would be absolutely astounded if OSHA could actually impose those limits for all Class 1 hazard types as the DOT, FAA and IATA control them right now, UPS currently takes some Class 1's but it would mean an increase in the cost of shipping these items which currently dont require hazmat papers but only proper containment and labeling.

    if someone could find out exactly what this stuff would be reclassified to I can get more details, Fed-Ex and DHL should have similar restrictions.
  3. PanzerAce

    PanzerAce Active Member

    Feb 25, 2006
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    N37°18'37" W120°29'50"
    There was another thread on this. IIRC, this really won't actually affect much, and I think I remember something about if you really read it, OSHA was actually giving up it's ability to regulate these since the DOT already had a strangle hold.

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