Sorry for the new post guys! I dug around a bit but never heard any time estimates on claybarring a midsize sedan. Does anyone know? With school and church commitments, i dont have too much time. i want to claybar my car before i wax it, but i've heard from a friend that it can take hours!!! i have two hours tops. do i have the time to do it? i dont want to wax over stuff, and then have to clay the wax off and re wax it. might as well do a good job the first time right? In short: Can I wash the car today, then rewash, clay, and wax tomorrow? can i wash/clay/wax in 2 hours?!? (using optimum no rinse, optimum car wax, and mothers california gold clay bar) Also, here's a biggie. Any advice or rules i need to know when it comes to tree sap? My car is sap city at the moment. optimum no rinse (in hot water)? cold water? .... some guy at kragens told me he uses a sponge and rubbing alcohol to get sap off... sounds paint-tastic... is he nuts? he said a detailer told him to use it. dont worry, i'll post pics =) P.S. Scottwax, YOU--> <--ME Figuratively of course... Thanks for all of your help. Oh, and a plug for Excel Details! Patrick was super helpful as well.