I just stumbled upon it this morning. I was bored and felt like doing research on Geranamine, the main ingredient in Ergopharm's AMP. When I googled "geranamine", I found a bunch of old threads on musclegurus.com, beyondmuscle, and bb.com, as well as other forums. After following a seemingly endless trail, I found this: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/07/AR2006050700913.html Does this mean that AMP has a placebo in it or does it mean that they're saying geranamine should be illegal (as well as AMP)? The only reason I ask if the geranamine in AMP is a placebo is because many people were trying to find bulk Geranamine powder and found that it was incredibly expensive ($900 for 4000 servings).. when they asked Patrick Arnold (formerly of Ergopharm.. ended up going to jail over this and mostly because he was in a huge steroid scandal) how he got this stuff cheap enough to put in AMP, he kept giving weird answers. At one point, he said "the real geranamine will be so ungodly expensive that unless you are an extremely smart and have the facilities, money, skills, and patience to figure out a way to make the compound then you are chasing your tail. sometimes seemingly simple chemicals can be unexpectedly difficult to make" (http://www.musclegurus.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=332&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=6dba54dd92b3b1e02a98dc3e11719070) Then, someone asks that if by "real geranamine" he is implying that the stuff in AMP is not real geranamine, though it's labeled that way. his response: "when ever someone comes up with a guess i neither deny or confirm. "