Plz delete/move this thread if it is inappropiate or too flamey. Do I now have to do everything you say Pur, no questions asked? If I go by the ideal of listening to people who have got results but have no scientific study based of what they do, i would still not listen to you. You know why? You said a few months ago you've been working out heavily for 16 years. 16 years and your last competition you posted about in here (you may of done more since) was a STATE national..and you placed 5th (or was it 6th) On the flip side, jay cutler has been working out for 16 years aswell, according to his website. He placed 2nd in the olympia...so you know Pur, it sounds like through all your arrogance I may do the exact opposite of anything you recommend, in the hopes I may do a little better than you. I only speak for myself here, of course I'm still a complete n00b who knows jack shit, but I know enough to choose who I take my advice from when it is not scientific study's (I use PubMed for that). If I don't understand right then please tell me where I went wrong. You will have 99% of F & N supporting you, I'm sure. But I just wanted to make my opinion public, if I am entitled to it. CLIFFS: My personal opinion is that PurEvl's arrogance is not justified because of how he places in competitions.