Discussion in 'On Topic' started by Bigsnake, Jan 9, 2006.
Jesus. He should of just backed that shit up. That was brutal.
In my state (Florida) it is justified. In some states you have a duty to retreat, if you can REASONABLY do so...therefore it would be debateable if deadly force was justified or if he could have reasonably retreated/avoided the conflict by moving his car. Given that he was clearly in imminent danger I doubt that there would be reprecussions for using deadly force though.
I would of shot the fucker if it had been me.
It just occured to me that you didn't specify who you were asking about in that video and on the other side. I would say the African American guy would not be justified in using deadly force simply because the other guy wouldn't move his car.
Yo son that nigga wouldnt move his car so I shot that mother fucker
I really hope you're just trying to be ironic.
Yeah, I was mostly joking in that second post, but if the black guy was the property owner and the other guy was trespassing by not moving his car, that would change everything, I make no assumptions either way. Then he might actually have some legal standing in using force on the trespasser.
Except what do you say in court if the prosecutor asks why you didn't just back up? The whole conflict could've been avoided if the driver hadn't been so indignant. Sometimes you just have to back down, and he could have saved himself and his crew an ass kicking if he did.
As for a bystander using lethal force to stop the attack, I think it would make it worse, as it would even further escalate the situation. If anyone else there was carrying it would probably end in at least a few guys in the morgue, including our hypothetical good Samaritan, as a opposed to just a few guys getting stitches. I'd just let them have their fight and not further escalate things, especially when there isn't a clear victim and both parties seemed to be looking for a fight.
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Oh, I agree that calling the police would be the RIGHT choice but I believe some states would allow him to shoot the trespasser first.
I read that somewhere it's legal to beat the living shit out of a trespasser. Even talked about kicking him in the head when he's on the ground.
I agree the black guy had no right to tell the driver to leave, but sometimes the most sensible thing is to just back down. It's okay to be a pussy and walk away sometimes. You get to keep all your teeth that way.
I wish deadly force was involved.. the way I see it, any shots fired that night would be a drop of chlorine in the gene pool. We dont need any of them around.
Probably, hit him until the threat is neutralized. Even when he's on teh ground he could be a threat if he's conscious.
i wouldnt have hesitated. one hit like that and id have my firearm out faster than he could say " aww nigga"
Yeah. The dude was snoring because he was so unconscious he couldn't maintain his airway. That's a life threatening situation. You don't cause that without deserving lethal force against you.
As soon as he approached me in a malevolent manner, he would have been looking down the business end of my weapon. Regardless of who he is, or what he wanted me to do, he's not in the right to immediately jump to force.
From the looks of it, the guy was just waiting on a passenger to come out of the store (guy that walks out & goes to the passenger side back door).
h&k mp5 silenced, 2 30 round mags. goodnight everybody
Deadly force would be justified way before he got knocked out.
Where I'm at, yes, deadly force would be justified.
At first, it's merely some words being exchanged. Then it escalates to punches getting thrown. At this point, deadly force would not be justified in my opinion. When the suspect opens the door and tries to pull the driver out, game on, as it could easily be articulated that a carjacking was occuring, and that the victim was going to be seriously injured. I wouldn't arrest the messican if he had shot, at least not for the shooting. He'd probably get an illegal possession charged, based on what I was seeing.
How do you deal w/ a physical attacker when they start throwing punches at you and your concealed carrying? Say knock you on the ground?
When does deadly force become justified because I'd be worried about them doing more if they had a weapon, say they knocked me out and stole my gun or during scuffle saw I had a weapon?
those dudes were asians
Well, every state except FL and LA has a "Duty to Retreat" clause where you can't use lethal force unless you can't escape the threat otherwise. This excludes one's own home. I guess the general rule is that the "degree of violence used in self defense must be comparable to the threat faced". You have to be in reasonable fear of your life in order to use deadly force. I'd assume that you'd have a hard time proving that for a jury if the guy you shot was unarmed.
I'm just paraphrasing the wiki article and the criminal justice classes I've taken, so I may not be 100% right here. Someone enlighten me.