Discussion in 'On Topic' started by slimjim, Jan 21, 2005.
Sorry, I'm kind of a gun noob...what's the difference?
M16 = 20" barrel with fixed stock
M4 = 14.5" stock with collapsible stock.
a few other little differences, but thats pretty much it.
being AR-15 type weapons, all parts are fully interchangable.
My M4 (actually a "M4gery" because its not an actual military issue colt M4... but otherwise its identical in every way except for the fact its semi-auto only)
that was before I had to return the whole upper assembly because it wouldnt zero properly. when I get it back it will be signifigantly changed. the RAS II will be replaced with a Larue Tactical 7.0, the aimpoint will be replaced with an EOtech 552, and the LMT BUIS replaced with a flip up Troy BUIS, as the LMT unit is to big to fit properly with an eotech and larue mount.
It seems there's alot of companies selling them. Are they manufacturing them or just putting their names on them. And if that's the case, who makes/has the best one?
stick to the abc's:
Rock River Arms (or RRA) is good too.
For the money Bushmaster makes a nice M4.
M16 has a bigger number: 16
M4 has a smaller number: 4
16>4, so M16> M4
If i am wrong, don't bother to curse or talk shit on me
M16/M4/ - select fire-full auto military versions (the CAR15 was the original M4 model used in Vietnam)
AR15/CAR15 - semi auto civilian versions of the M16/M4.
M is military designation
Then you have the AR10, AR18/AR180. AR13, AR14 and now the SR-47 just to add to the confusion
I have a Colt AR-15 that is factory full auto...
Does that make me cool?
One of these days I'm going to pick up an M4. I've been staring at this for too long.
RRA Entry Tactical
you have a LEO model then, very cool
what's the difference between a full-auto ar-15 and the m16/m4/?? i thought the ar-15 is semi auto.
No, I have a Colt AR-15 model 613.
even nicer, you have a pretty nice collection with the 3 P7's
back in the day the military hadn't adopted it yet, so it was still called the Ar15 And they were all select fire.
RRA is the best bang for the buck.. but to add to the ABC's and R's, DPMS makes some nice ones as well
Dont talk. You know nothing. AR15 was used in the military right before nam. It was the beginning of the m16, it was full auto. The M16 also isnt full auto. Stop playing video games and get your info straight.
Nothing, except the writing on the side of the lower.
MOST AR-15s are semi auto but full auto AR-15 marked rifles do exist.
m16 and M4 are military designations. AR-15 is a Colt trademark (actually so is M4).
I love guns.
It is true that US "Advisors" in Vietnam were the first to use the Armalite developed AR-15 in combat. They were only used in very limited number before the US Army officialy adopted the rifle as the new infantry weapon. The AR-15 was given the military designation of M-16.
So he is correct in saying that the AR-15 is the civilian version of the Military designated M-16 and it always has been.
When you say that M-16's aren't full auto your are only partly correct. The M-16 that is issued to the Basic infantryman desginated as M-16A2 is in fact only capable of safe, semiautomatic, and 3 round burst operation. There are many exceptions including the M-4 version of the M-16 rifle which is capable of safe, semi, and fully automatic operation. These rifles are generally issued to Special Operations soldiers including armored vehicle crews, special forces, and aviation crews.
So, get you info straight before you tell someone else to.
Sorry to burst your bubble son, but the M16 came in both the 3 burst and full auto variants (as I stated above when I said it was select fire/full auto). The AR15 was the designation before the army officially adopted it as it's weapon of choice, then it received the M16 tag. Also, the AR15 wasn't the original beginning M16, Armalite had the AR10 in .308 which is still available and the AR13 and AR14 which were 7.62 variants. Stoner has brought it back and is labeled the SR47 which special forces have been testing in Afghanistan.
I was using the AR15 probably before you were born.
Have you had a chance to try an AR18/180?
I owned an AR18 that I honestly felt was a better weapon than the 15 although it had it's quirks. I am debating on getting a new AR180 now though since I heard they had redesigned it and got rid of the original quirks.
That thing is only semi-auto?!
I already got your back, dog. see my post before yours... But nice delivery.
I haven't handled an AR18 or 180. I just checked out POF's new AR upper that converts the gas system to piston operated. The package costs around $900 but comes with a full length 4 rail system, fluted bbl, BUIS, and is free floated. I don't want to be the guiena pig so i'll have to wait for the reviews.