Matts Off Road Recovery. v.earth swallowed a jeep

borazhasleftthebuilding

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Was only looking at it from the capability perspective. They've got respectable off road performance, very comfortable on road performance and the gadgets actually help off road.

Is it the cheapest way to go off road? Hell no. I'd been playing in the desert 19 years before I got mine. You really can't beat a Jeep for capability per dollar I think. Maybe a Samurai but a bit limited in how much you could grow one with the upgrades. The Jeep was my first car, still have it, have another one and I'd gladly own a few more when I can do it.

I still think if I was going to be doing what he's doing though, I'd rather do it with a body on frame LJ long wheelbase Wrangler than a unibody XJ Cherokee. The LJ's do hold their value though, so also aren't the cheapest way to get out on the trail. There's a couple ways you could look at it though, on the one hand, the LJ would probably take much more punishment on the recoveries, so while much more upfront cost it could potentially need replacing less frequently. But on the other hand, if you DGAF and it's a trailer rig, you could just keep welding up or patching whatever fails on the XJ, and you can also argue that it's not just a tweaked frame to worry about with what he's doing. Could equally roll it or drown it or who knows, so the absolute cheapest 4x4 that works does have a lot of validity also. Just move the upgrades across.

Return on Investment, the XJ does make a lot of sense.

The 200 series Land Cruiser wouldn't be the most economical, but an 80 series wouldn't be that bad.

The Rollers were a MASSIVE stretch, way out of my league but wanted it bad enough. Still thoroughly enjoy the affordable fun cars. :)
tweaked unibody, lol
 

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The tire and wheel combo is sick. I like how they look factory while still being different.

So freaking rare nowadays. They were made by Hutchinson, the same people that made the wheels on my Land Cruiser and Raptor and what will be going on the second TJ, and are a functional double beadlock. But these were made for Mopar exclusively, with the Jeep factory 5 spoke look. The one below is the aftermarket Jeep one.

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The aftermarket one is nice... almost factory looking...

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But the Mopar design with the solid spokes looks so factory it's hard to believe it wasn't more successful.

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Need to get my hands on a set some day.



Heavy as hell wheels, but it's amazing what 3 PSI will do on sand.
 
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whatever

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So freaking rare nowadays. They were made by Hutchinson, the same people that made the wheels on my Land Cruiser and Raptor and what will be going on the second TJ, and are a functional double beadlock. But these were made for Mopar exclusively, with the Jeep factory 5 spoke look. The one below is the aftermarket Jeep one.

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The aftermarket one is nice... almost factory looking...

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But the Mopar design with the solid spokes looks so factory it's hard to believe it wasn't more successful.

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Need to get my hands on a set some day.



Heavy as hell wheels, but it's amazing what 3 PSI will do on sand.

where do you order from over there? I know a guy who does international shipping :hsugh:
 

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So freaking rare nowadays. They were made by Hutchinson, the same people that made the wheels on my Land Cruiser and Raptor and what will be going on the second TJ, and are a functional double beadlock. But these were made for Mopar exclusively, with the Jeep factory 5 spoke look. The one below is the aftermarket Jeep one.

NqdGkO4.jpg


The aftermarket one is nice... almost factory looking...

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But the Mopar design with the solid spokes looks so factory it's hard to believe it wasn't more successful.

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Need to get my hands on a set some day.



Heavy as hell wheels, but it's amazing what 3 PSI will do on sand.
Also one of the few DOT approved beadlocks out here iirc.
 

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Impressive. Definitely starting to think it's worth the premium. :bigthumb:

they did it right IMO. they just announced the new 8274s if that is more the look ya want. unsure if they have the new guts in there for heat monitoring like the platty's


 

Oman4x4

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where do you order from over there? I know a guy who does international shipping :hsugh:

Usually order things direct from manufacturers for the more specialist stuff, or Quadratec or lately with the unobtainium just wherever I can find it. Got the discontinued Bestop TJ Halftop coming over right now from a retailer in Germany - paying a premium for the fact that it's already gone in to Germany and paid taxes there and now internationally shipping them a second time... but couldn't find them anywhere else. But now stuck in customs because I bought the last two of them so they think it's commercial. Having to go show them the titles for both Jeeps tomorrow and hopefully get it released. Will just leave off the detail that it doesn't fit the Brute (the second one was in case I ever damage this one, or if I get an LJ and feel like trying to make it work by joining it to an LJ Duster Cover.) So things like that can be stressful.

Even when Shipping goes well it can often be about the same price as the part you order or at least not far from it.

Have a few options though that are a bit better nowadays with freight forwarders, where you get a USA address to ship things to and then they just magically appear here. For bigger items it's cheaper, although way more of a pain to coordinate, to organise Fedex or DHL collection from this end rather than them sending it from their end. Same service, same speed, way different price.

I'm pretty sure my Jeep has cost about twice to build it here than what it would in the states due to the shipping.

As far as Warn specifically though, there is a good retailer locally that stocks them well. Prices are fair too as they are an official distributor. It's the TJ specific parts that are getting hard to find nowadays. Local shops are only carrying stock for JK and JL. Can't really blame them though, not many people want to spend on the TJs anymore here.

As much fun as it is to build it yourself, when I hit the go button on the LJ I'll be waiting patiently for one that's mostly how I want it already, and get as much as I can done state-side and hopefully fly out for a few trails before shipping the whole car home. As extravagant as that sounds, it's probably cheaper that way!

It's a fun place to have nice cars out here, but shipping definitely stings.

Anyway sorry that turned in to a bit of a rant, it's a bit of a sore point! :rofl: if you think your guy might be useful feel free to PM me details :rofl:
 

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Usually order things direct from manufacturers for the more specialist stuff, or Quadratec or lately with the unobtainium just wherever I can find it. Got the discontinued Bestop TJ Halftop coming over right now from a retailer in Germany - paying a premium for the fact that it's already gone in to Germany and paid taxes there and now internationally shipping them a second time... but couldn't find them anywhere else. But now stuck in customs because I bought the last two of them so they think it's commercial. Having to go show them the titles for both Jeeps tomorrow and hopefully get it released. Will just leave off the detail that it doesn't fit the Brute (the second one was in case I ever damage this one, or if I get an LJ and feel like trying to make it work by joining it to an LJ Duster Cover.) So things like that can be stressful.

Even when Shipping goes well it can often be about the same price as the part you order or at least not far from it.

Have a few options though that are a bit better nowadays with freight forwarders, where you get a USA address to ship things to and then they just magically appear here. For bigger items it's cheaper, although way more of a pain to coordinate, to organise Fedex or DHL collection from this end rather than them sending it from their end. Same service, same speed, way different price.

I'm pretty sure my Jeep has cost about twice to build it here than what it would in the states due to the shipping.

As far as Warn specifically though, there is a good retailer locally that stocks them well. Prices are fair too as they are an official distributor. It's the TJ specific parts that are getting hard to find nowadays. Local shops are only carrying stock for JK and JL. Can't really blame them though, not many people want to spend on the TJs anymore here.

As much fun as it is to build it yourself, when I hit the go button on the LJ I'll be waiting patiently for one that's mostly how I want it already, and get as much as I can done state-side and hopefully fly out for a few trails before shipping the whole car home. As extravagant as that sounds, it's probably cheaper that way!

It's a fun place to have nice cars out here, but shipping definitely stings.

Anyway sorry that turned in to a bit of a rant, it's a bit of a sore point! :rofl: if you think your guy might be useful feel free to PM me details :rofl:

my guy ships shipping containers at a time to turkey. sometimes a couple worth of tires and then another of axles :rofl: do you have import tax from turkey to yours? its best to get to a container worth then send it slow boat over.

this is the main supplier he gets product from:

IDK about pricing but you order a container worth and i'm sure it would be good for everyone :rofl:
 

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they did it right IMO. they just announced the new 8274s if that is more the look ya want. unsure if they have the new guts in there for heat monitoring like the platty's




Nice to see it with a Synthetic line - that's actually cool. I could go that route on the FJ45 when that goes in for restoration. I'm still torn on whether I want that to be full restomod aftermarket style on the bumpers, or visually period correct with much more hidden upgrades. This would definitely suit the second option. The problem is blocking the radiator is a big no-no with our weather and the 8274 isn't great for that.... for the other winches I prefer remote mounted control pack rather than the integrated top mount.


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This one in a custom bumper that almost looks factory is a nice way to go...

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But then this is awesome and very tempting....

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Quite torn on which way to go on that one, but want the Jeep builds done first before I tackle that.
 

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Dude that worked at the footlocker was looking at me all crazy when I pulled the tree strap out to wrap around the beam in front of their store to help get me loose.

Reminds me of a trip I did from Dubai to Oman where parents were living. Custom made a dog house for mum and dad's German Shepard and had originally intended to send it down with a cargo truck but decided I'd surprise Dad as I hadn't seen him in a couple months, would drive it down in the Raptor, drop it off, have dinner and drive back to Dubai. About 5 hours each way. On the way in, hit traffic and a few delays knew dad would be getting close to dinner time so called him to say "the truck is almost there". I'm watching my fuel gauge and GPS thinking I have enough to make it I'll press on and not add the refuelling time. Got to the house, spent time with dad. Assembled it. Had dinner. Headed out back to Dubai, aiming for the closest fuel station to the house first. Approaching the gas station and the truck dies on me, coasts to a stop just on the up hill ramp in to the forecourt. Didn't have a jerry can. The pump attendant is like it's ok we'll push it. I'm like dude it's 3 tons :rofl:

Pulled the winch out, looped it on the crash bar at the pump, and rolled in on purely battery / winch power :rofl:

Used to tell people I had a Hybrid F150 Raptor with EV mode :rofl:
 
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whatever

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Nice to see it with a Synthetic line - that's actually cool. I could go that route on the FJ45 when that goes in for restoration. I'm still torn on whether I want that to be full restomod aftermarket style on the bumpers, or visually period correct with much more hidden upgrades. This would definitely suit the second option. The problem is blocking the radiator is a big no-no with our weather and the 8274 isn't great for that.... for the other winches I prefer remote mounted control pack rather than the integrated top mount.


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This one in a custom bumper that almost looks factory is a nice way to go...

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But then this is awesome and very tempting....

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Quite torn on which way to go on that one, but want the Jeep builds done first before I tackle that.

do a tesla electric swap.
 
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Oman4x4

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my guy ships shipping containers at a time to turkey. sometimes a couple worth of tires and then another of axles :rofl: do you have import tax from turkey to yours? its best to get to a container worth then send it slow boat over.

this is the main supplier he gets product from:

IDK about pricing but you order a container worth and i'm sure it would be good for everyone :rofl:

Interesting, I guess Keystone is set up primarily for B2B sales?

We have import tax and VAT tax now on any imports too so what used to be 5% is now 5% + 5% on top of that. Lucky the Brute kit and the Roller both came in to the country before that came in to effect.

There seems to be a fair bit of trade between Turkey and here but it's still far enough away that I think it's probably not worth the two separate shipments. If someone was shipping things in to Abu Dhabi for example then it would be worth it. The car community is quite tight here though and when people are shipping project cars in a container or something, sometimes people share containers. So that help when things aren't urgent.

My OCD doesn't cope well with not knowing where things are though. For example these tops stuck in customs is stressing me out even though they're in country. Appreciate the offer but the extra logistics might not be worth the lost sleep.
 

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Interesting, I guess Keystone is set up primarily for B2B sales?

We have import tax and VAT tax now on any imports too so what used to be 5% is now 5% + 5% on top of that. Lucky the Brute kit and the Roller both came in to the country before that came in to effect.

yea. I think he is the top or second highest dealer in the country for them by volume and $$$.

so same import tax regardless of source. :hsd: that stinks.

changing your bill over to drop a few decimal places off.
 

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do a tesla electric swap.

That would be wild. Man you could hide a TON of batteries under the bed floor :rofl:

Not many charge points in the desert but lets be honest it's more for local trips. Why you gotta put silly ideas in my head :rofl:

Current plan for it was to do a fuel injection conversion, with a Toyota 5 speed swap. I've got a rare as hens teeth Offenhauser 4 barrel carb intake manifold for the Toyota that hasn't been made since the late 80's early 90's I think, and the idea is to combine that with one of the throttle body carb style fuel injection kits.
 

whatever

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That would be wild. Man you could hide a TON of batteries under the bed floor :rofl:

Not many charge points in the desert but lets be honest it's more for local trips. Why you gotta put silly ideas in my head :rofl:

Current plan for it was to do a fuel injection conversion, with a Toyota 5 speed swap. I've got a rare as hens teeth Offenhauser 4 barrel carb intake manifold for the Toyota that hasn't been made since the late 80's early 90's I think, and the idea is to combine that with one of the throttle body carb style fuel injection kits.

you want the controller company?


we're considering doing it for a UTV swap. unlimited short course UTV it would be untouchable if we can get the traction.
 

Oman4x4

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yea. I think he is the top or second highest dealer in the country for them by volume and $$$.

so same import tax regardless of source. :hsd: that stinks.

changing your bill over to drop a few decimal places off.

Yeah some people do fudge the values on the bill for the taxes, but I'd be afraid of the shipment being seized or returned if it was found out. For the normal stuff I just think it's easily googled, and for the unobtainium stuff that you might find on forum sales or ebay etc. it's just too much risk to lose them. Could easily fudge it for things like the Offenhauser or the Tomb Raider NOS seatbelts for the TJ :naughty: - but not worth the risk IMO. Also you'll be under-insured if they do go missing.

Could be a lot worse, UK taxes are between 17% or 20% - can't remember.
 

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Yeah some people do fudge the values on the bill for the taxes, but I'd be afraid of the shipment being seized or returned if it was found out. For the normal stuff I just think it's easily googled, and for the unobtainium stuff that you might find on forum sales or ebay etc. it's just too much risk to lose them. Could easily fudge it for things like the Offenhauser or the Tomb Raider NOS seatbelts for the TJ :naughty: - but not worth the risk IMO. Also you'll be under-insured if they do go missing.

Could be a lot worse, UK taxes are between 17% or 20% - can't remember.

:rofl: well if you wait up for a container worth lemme know. the hookup is my brother :rofl:

he ships a buncha stuff to turkey. to the point the fed shut down his bank account until he could prove what he was sending :hsugh:
 

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