yeah same with their tig imo. spent a lot of time with dynasty/syncrowave machines and cool little addons for $11ty doesn't justify the difference. used a little $200 HF start tig welder from Amazon that was awesome AHP/primeweld whatever are a crazy good value for the $Kinda disappointed in the Miller. It's been 10 or so years since I've used one and when I got my HF machine, I was very impressed but assumed a newer Miller would be more impressive. The Miller seems more cheaply made and definitely doesn't drive nearly as consistent as the HF machine did. It works, but not how I'd expect from a 1k more machine. Kinda regret selling the HF now.