The thread I created a few nights ago got me to thinking and its time to express whats on my mind. What EVERYONE doesnt relize in here is that the same formula I use is the same one that every single person in here can use to achieve there goals unless they want to be PL'ers then they shouldnt be worrying about the mirror. Muscle is a bi product for a PL'er. If people are looking to be strong yet look muscular then BB'er is the way to do it. I can lift more then most of the PL'ers at my gym (there not elite but you get the point) But I also know some PL'ers that look as good as BB'ers. Strength is a bi product for a BB'er. It goes both ways. I suggest people figure out wtf there goals are before they choice a side or someones advice. Most of you are all confused and so distracted from all the bullshit cut and pastes studys by JOE BLOW you never stick to one thing. You all try to do westside, or MAX OT, or some other flavor of the week. If your just getting into this game(less then 2 years in my eyes) then you have barely created a base for yourself. The biggest problem with people now adays is everyones looking for a shortcut whether it be some stupid steel cut oats bullshit, the latest low GI carb craze or whatever else I have seen cut and pasted in here. 99% of the shit posted in here has never been done by the people talking about it. I dont give a shit what someone else says cause theres a good chance it wont work for 3 out of 4 people. Everyone is very different and people need to gain experience before they can give advice. Have you ever heard me tell someone something about PL'ing, NO, cause I got no business talking about it since I have never done it. I could run out and cut and paste something from a study for you and look like I know but Im not a hypocrite. What you see is what you get with me, anything I talk about I have done/tried for myself and seen how it works. If someone wants my opinion I let them know about it but I also let them know I have never tried it so its all best guess. So to end my rant I will say in summary, find out wtf you want from lifting/dieting. Then make the choice on the advice you should be getting after. Find something and stick to it for longer then 2 weeks. My best advice to the guys starting out keep it simple stupid. A very basic diet and routine is all you need. Im here to help but I dont go crazy on the board since I dont care if someone whos been lifting for 2 years thinks they know more and im wrong. So anyone who wants MY help can contact me through pm or aim anytime guys. Ok im done. One warning, this is a no BS thread as well. Stupid shit will be pruned. Do not attack each other in here. Atack me if you feel the need though.