GUN Need THAT list of Defensive ammo

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  1. Sardaukar

    Sardaukar OT Supporter

    May 3, 2005
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    Anyone have it? It gets posted once every so often. The actual author eludes me at the moment. TIA! :bigthumb:
  2. Paul Revere

    Paul Revere OT Supporter

    May 19, 2003
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    Cali-NO NFA-fornia


    Barnes XPB 115gr HP (35515) loaded by:
    Cor-Bon (DPX09115)

    Winchester Partition Gold 124gr JHP (RA91P)
    Winchester Ranger-T 124 gr +P JHP (RA9124TP)
    Winchester Ranger-T 127gr JHP +P+ (RA9TA)
    Winchester Ranger-T 147gr JHP (RA9T)

    Speer Gold Dot 124gr JHP +P (53617)
    Speer Gold Dot 147gr JHP (53619)

    Remington Golden Saber 147gr JHP (GS9MMC)

    Federal Tactical 124gr JHP (LE9T1)
    Federal Tactical 135gr JHP +P (LE9T5)
    Federal HST 147gr JHP (P9HST2)


    Speer Gold Dot 135gr +P (53921) - .38spl, specially designed for snubnose guns. Here is an excellent article from Federal's website which gives you more information than you'd ever want to know about this round, as well as effective ranges and performance evaluation using the FBI test protocol for that round.

    A good performer may also be found in 148gr WC-type bullets. It's important to use soft lead, as this will cause a flattening/mushrooming of the bullet and still penetrate deeply enough (under review). The original "FBI" load was a 158 gr +P LSWCHP. In .357mag, the 180gr Partition Gold may be an excellent bullet choice giving perfect penetration and reliable expansion.

    There are no other recommendations due to the lack of testing, so make sure you test these if you plan to use them in your gun.

    Also look at loads using the Barnes DPX bullet as loaded by Cor-Bon and now Federal. Please be aware that Federal lists the "Barnes expander" under their "Vital-Shok" handgun hunting section, while the inferior Hydra-Shok is listed for personal defense.


    Federal Tactical and HST loads.

    Speer Gold Dot 125gr JHP

    .40 S&W

    Barnes all-copper bullets (140 & 155gr) loaded by:
    Cor-Bon (DPX40140)

    Winchester Ranger 180gr JHP (RA40T)
    Winchester Ranger 165gr JHP (RA40TA)
    Winchester Partition Gold 165gr JHP (RA401P)

    Speer Gold Dot 155gr JHP (53961)
    Speer Gold Dot 180gr JHP (53962)

    Federal Tactical 165gr JHP (LE40T3)
    Federal Tactical 180gr JHP (LE40T1)
    Federal HST 180gr JHP (P40HST1)

    Remington Golden Saber 180 gr JHP (GS40SWB)


    Barnes XPB 185gr HP (45185) loaded by:
    Cor-Bon (DPX45160)
    Taurus (TCB45ACP185HP)

    Winchester Ranger 230gr JHP (RA45T)
    Winchester Ranger 230gr JHP +P (RA45TP)

    Federal Tactical 230gr JHP (LE45T1)
    Federal HST 230gr +P JHP (P45HST1)

    Speer Gold Dot 230 gr JHP (23966)

    this it?
  3. Soybomb

    Soybomb New Member

    Aug 30, 2003
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    To me the "source" list is at;f=78;t=000964

    Keeping in mind that handguns generally offer poor incapacitation potential, bullets with effective terminal performance are available in all of the most commonly used duty pistol calibers—pick the one that you shoot most accurately, that is most reliable in the type of pistol you choose, and best suits you likely engagement scenarios.

    The following loads all demonstrate outstanding terminal performance and can be considered acceptable for duty/self-defense use:

    9 mm:
    Barnes XPB 105 & 115 gr JHP (copper bullet)
    Federal Tactical 124 gr JHP (LE9T1)
    Speer Gold Dot 124 gr +P JHP
    Winchester Ranger-T 124 gr +P JHP (RA9124TP)
    Winchester Partition Gold 124 gr JHP (RA91P)
    Winchester Ranger-T 127 gr +P+ JHP (RA9TA)
    Federal Tactical 135 gr +P JHP (LE9T5)
    Federal HST 147 gr JHP (P9HST2)
    Remington Golden Saber 147 gr JHP (GS9MMC)
    Speer Gold Dot 147 gr JHP
    Winchester Ranger-T 147 gr JHP (RA9T)
    Winchester 147 gr bonded JHP (RA9B/Q4364)

    .40 S&W:
    Barnes XPB 140 & 155 gr JHP (copper bullet)
    Speer Gold Dot 155 gr JHP
    Federal Tactical 165 gr JHP (LE40T3)
    Winchester Ranger-T 165 gr JHP (RA40TA)
    Winchester Partition Gold 165 gr JHP (RA401P)
    Federal HST 180 gr JHP (P40HST1)
    Federal Tactical 180 gr JHP (LE40T1)
    Remington Golden Saber 180 gr JHP (GS40SWB)
    Speer Gold Dot 180 gr JHP
    Winchester Ranger-T 180 gr JHP (RA40T)
    Winchester 180 gr bonded JHP (Q4355)

    .45 ACP:
    Barnes XPB 185 gr JHP (copper bullet)
    Federal HST 230 gr +P JHP (P45HST1)
    Federal Tactical 230 gr JHP (LE45T1)
    Speer Gold Dot 230 gr JHP
    Winchester Ranger-T 230 gr JHP (RA45T)
    Winchester Ranger-T 230 gr +P JHP (RA45TP)

    -- Obviously, clone loads using the same bullet at the same velocity work equally well (ie. Black Hills ammo using Gold Dot bullets, Corbon loads using Barnes XPB bullets, etc…)

    -- Bullet designs like the Silver Tip, Hydra-Shok, and Black Talon were state of the art 10 or 15 years ago. Modern ammunition which has been designed for robust expansion against clothing and intermediate barriers is significantly superior to the older designs. The bullets in the Federal Classic and Hydrashok line are outperformed by other ATK products such as the Federal Tactical and HST, as well as the Speer Gold Dot; likewise Winchester Ranger Talons are far superior to the old Black Talons or civilian SXT's.


    Basically all the standard service calibers work when fed good quality ammunition. The platform picked tends to dictate the caliber. For example, Glocks and Sigs tend to run best in 9 mm; the S&W M&P is the first .40 S&W pistol that seems to offer an ideal ergonomic and shooter friendly package; while a properly customized 5" steel-frame single-stack 1911 in .45 ACP is a superb, unparalleled choice for the dedicated user willing to spend a significant amount of money to get it properly initially set-up and considerable time to maintain it. For folks who want a .45 ACP pistol, but don't want to invest the funds and effort into getting a good 1911, they would be better served with a S&W .45 ACP M&P, HK45, S&W 4566, or possibly the SA .45 ACP XD.

    Whatever you choose, make sure you fire at least 500 and preferably 1000 failure free shots through your pistol prior to using it for duty. If your pistol cannot fire at least 1000 consecutive shots without a malfunction, something is wrong and it is not suitable for duty/self-defense use.


    The keys are:

    -- Cultivate a warrior mindset
    -- Invest in competent, thorough initial training and then maintain skills with regular ongoing practice
    -- Acquire a reliable and durable weapon system
    -- Purchase a consistent, robust performing duty/self-defense load in sufficient quantities (at least 1000 rounds) then STOP worrying about the nuances of handgun ammunition terminal performance.
  4. P07r0457

    P07r0457 New Member

    Sep 20, 2004
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    Southern Oregon
    What are your thoughts between:

    Speer Gold Dot 155gr JHP (53961)
    Speer Gold Dot 180gr JHP (53962)

    I currently have Federal Premium 135gr Hydra-Shok as my carry load, and I've been meaning to replace it for a long time. I've had good experience with Federal ammo in all of my firearms, so I originally was looking at Federal Tactical ammo, but it's impossible to find locally, and I feel that is important.

    Sportsmans Warehouse carries the Speer, so what are your thoughts on that ammo for carry? And what are the pros/cons between 155gr/180gr?
  5. Sardaukar

    Sardaukar OT Supporter

    May 3, 2005
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    Thanks, guys. :bigthumb:

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