i really dont know too much about cars so im try to get as many 3rd party perspectives. Anywho-zell-bees heres my plight... I can get the Civic (not the hybrid or economy edition) for about $15,500. I am not extremely hot on the civic though. I had the sentra for $11,900 but the dealership seemed like a real sleaze and was a real dick. I was more than willing to walk out of there with my pride and buy the car for more money later. I liked the mazda3 and i could get it for $16,000. But that is just the i edition with some upgrades. The only Scion im interested in is the tc. The other 2 are cheesey, especially the xB. (sorry if you own one) The sticker price was about $17,300, but i assume i can get it down to the low 16s as well. I just didn't feel like bargaining and handing out my number to another dealer. Not that their bad people, their just paid to commpletely blow smoke up your ass. Also, with the scions being relatively new, what kind of reputation do they have? Any honest opinion on what i should get would be a big help?