Discussion in 'On Topic' started by forgotmyname, Jan 17, 2009.
Mig-35 & Su-47 vs F-22A Raptor and what else?
considering the F-22 could blow both out of the sky before either knew it was even there, I would have to say the 22
both the Mig and the Su-47 have a much longer rang than the F-22. The Mig can hold much more missile and have more fire power than the F-22 and the Su-47. The Mig and the Su-47 both have higher caliber Guns, but the F-22 has a much larger capacity.
The F-22 is far faster, far more maneuverable. Far sturdier air frame. Except for the point above it is a far superior aircraft.
I'd like to compare it to the JSF, but most REAL information is classified. And the JSF has a much much shorter range.
Parris pretty much nailed it. For air superiority work, the aircraft with superior speed and maneuverability is preferred. Obviously the fighter must maintain sufficient payload to engage the enemy, but we all know the F-22 has that.
This assumes Parris knows the classified details about the Raptor. The ones you and I don't know.
What about the Su-47's classified details?
F-22 hands down
this post is full of fail
F-22 have unlimited range (due to air to air refueling), and a bigger combat load because they can air to air refuel. the MiG has something like 14 external harports and the Raptor has 8 internal and more that can be fitted on the wings.
how does Parrie have access to said classified info...
isn't he a sniper, based in DC? (Thus, why would he even be considered to have access to that info?)
That is along the lines of the point I am making...
It is very difficult to determine.
I would venture to say the regardless of hardware, I believe our pilots are trained better. To back up my belief, I propose the US spends more money on training, flight time, and live exercises than any other country.
I guess I should have came out and said it:
Unless you work with the Raptor, you don't know the classified information. The point is moot because, even if you did have access to this information, you would not legally be able to discuss it. Nevermind the fact that we do not have the classified specs for the other planes.
Staying on-topic have you guys (pilots) seen any major action as far as air to air combat goes, or is true that dogfighting is a thing of the past thanks to modern tracking technology?
Dogfights as you know them are probably a thing of the past. I'm NOT saying they don't exist in training environments. There are probably red flag videos on youtube and other sites of dog fights.
That being said, don't count on having the loiter time over enemy airspace to Do-Si-Do with an enemy fighter before you're dead in the water or flying blind.
you arent smart enough to learn how to fly a plane, and your reflexes and feeble mind wont be able to keep up.
I'll keep this statement as general and plain as I can...
The F-22 does NOT have unlimited range. It may have unlimited loiter time in friendly air space, but you're never going to see KC's flying anywhere close to where they can be popped by enemy IADS or OCA/DCA. No JFACC is going to endanger his refueling assets in this way.
This line of thinking is what led to the USAF's absolutely atrocious performance in the Vietnam War.
Another thing about the F-22... what's an Su-47 going to shoot it down with? A radar guided missile?
F/A 22 son.
Best in its class.
the russians also only ever build 1 Su-47, and the MiG 35 is just an improved MiG-29.
Where's Turbo? lol