No one wants to work!!!! /sarcasm

[Jesus]

I guess fast food places are just closed during the day then?

A lot of people are still holding on for dear life to the American dream fairy tale. It's not their fault. We've been sold a bill of goods for decades now.

 

[whatever]

A lot of people are still holding on for dear life to the American dream fairy tale. It's not their fault. We've been sold a bill of goods for decades now.

it'll trickle down!

 

[Jesus]

it'll trickle down!

Ah yes, the upside down pyramid model.

 

[obscure/renegade]

Or do you think only certain types of people are entitled to decent wages/benefits?

This is a fairly charged way to ask this question, which makes me think your mind is made up on this. I'll give it a go anyway.

The skill and education level necessary for said job spaces have a low bar, which is why the pay is doesn't align with, say, an airplane mechanic. You have a large potential labor force; since anyone can do the job, so the pay is not going to be that great. That is reality. As such, those roles are generally not considered a long-term career move, only transitionary, barring a path to management, or ownership inside of that space. But not everyone can do that, right? Not everyone has the chops to run a business, and/or the inclination.

And while it's true that owners should get paid last as a general rule, especially in the beginning, the owner is the one that takes on all the risk. Dealing with corporate structure and demand in the case of a franchise. That's continuous menu updates (this is why so many menus are on paper now), marketing and advertising. Leases, taxes, accounting, payroll, HR, insurance. Vacation, callouts, scheduling, all manner of FTE facets. Inventory, spoilage, shrinkage. And that's just for something like a retail or hospitality space - it gets far more complex for entities like sports franchises.

Here's what the Brave summarizer says on the wage gap:

The average hourly wage for a McDonald's employee in the United States is $8.69, with an average of $8.69 per hour.2 However, the average hourly wage for a McDonald's franchise owner in an existing restaurant is $150,000 per year, which can vary depending on factors such as the location of the restaurant and the owner's level of experience.3 The average salary for a McDonald's franchise operations manager is $49,000 annually, or $24 per hour, which is 49% lower than the national average for all franchise operations managers at $81,000 annually and 30% lower than the national salary average for all working.0 McDonald's is raising the hourly wages for its U.S. company-owned restaurants by an average of 10%, with the average wage for employees of its company-owned restaurants expected to be $15 per hour by 2024.1

Given the above, talk to me about the math that you would be happy with, in terms of paying the owner with the responsibilities listed above, and the average worker in their store. I'm not trolling you, I want to know what you think a more fair breakdown would be.

 

[sans_pants]

we all know that franchise owners dont necessarily make much. thats why the usually buy several. no one is really getting upset about some middle class goon making a few hundred thousand dollars from his small business, unless they treat their employees like shit

if they are in such a precarious position they could always go do something else

 

[whatever]

This is a fairly charged way to ask this question, which makes me think your mind is made up on this. I'll give it a go anyway.

The skill and education level necessary for said job spaces have a low bar, which is why the pay is doesn't align with, say, an airplane mechanic. You have a large potential labor force; since anyone can do the job, so the pay is not going to be that great. That is reality. As such, those roles are generally not considered a long-term career move, only transitionary, barring a path to management, or ownership inside of that space. But not everyone can do that, right? Not everyone has the chops to run a business, and/or the inclination.

And while it's true that owners should get paid last as a general rule, especially in the beginning, the owner is the one that takes on all the risk. Dealing with corporate structure and demand in the case of a franchise. That's continuous menu updates (this is why so many menus are on paper now), marketing and advertising. Leases, taxes, accounting, payroll, HR, insurance. Vacation, callouts, scheduling, all manner of FTE facets. Inventory, spoilage, shrinkage. And that's just for something like a retail or hospitality space - it gets far more complex for entities like sports franchises.

Here's what the Brave summarizer says on the wage gap:



Given the above, talk to me about the math that you would be happy with, in terms of paying the owner with the responsibilities listed above, and the average worker in their store. I'm not trolling you, I want to know what you think a more fair breakdown would be.

i dont think in the top economy in the world anyone should have to work more than 40 hours a week to cover basic apartment, food and medical expenses.

 

[Jesus]

This is a fairly charged way to ask this question, which makes me think your mind is made up on this. I'll give it a go anyway.

The skill and education level necessary for said job spaces have a low bar, which is why the pay is doesn't align with, say, an airplane mechanic. You have a large potential labor force; since anyone can do the job, so the pay is not going to be that great. That is reality. As such, those roles are generally not considered a long-term career move, only transitionary, barring a path to management, or ownership inside of that space. But not everyone can do that, right? Not everyone has the chops to run a business, and/or the inclination.

And while it's true that owners should get paid last as a general rule, especially in the beginning, the owner is the one that takes on all the risk. Dealing with corporate structure and demand in the case of a franchise. That's continuous menu updates (this is why so many menus are on paper now), marketing and advertising. Leases, taxes, accounting, payroll, HR, insurance. Vacation, callouts, scheduling, all manner of FTE facets. Inventory, spoilage, shrinkage. And that's just for something like a retail or hospitality space - it gets far more complex for entities like sports franchises.

Here's what the Brave summarizer says on the wage gap:



Given the above, talk to me about the math that you would be happy with, in terms of paying the owner with the responsibilities listed above, and the average worker in their store. I'm not trolling you, I want to know what you think a more fair breakdown would be.

I think you're missing the point here. Owners and managers are getting a raw deal as well. Everyone knows corporate greed is the real issue, but nothing is done about it. These people do nothing but sit on their ass and hoard wealth. It's what is truly ruining society and pitting the lower and middle class against each other.

 

[Jesus]

i dont think in the top economy in the world anyone should have to work more than 40 hours a week to cover basic apartment, food and medical expenses.

People who complain about this shit don't know the real world. They think being paid a living wage entails some luxurious lifestyle with silk sheets and lobster pancakes, when in reality is trying to afford a fucking shack and grilled cheese sandwiches, and if you're REALLY lucky, a car. I know, it's a lot to ask.

 

[sans_pants]

People who complain about this shit don't know the real world. They think being paid a living wage entails some luxurious lifestyle with silk sheets and lobster pancakes, when in reality is trying to afford a fucking shack and grilled cheese sandwiches, and if you're REALLY lucky, a car. I know, it's a lot to ask.

keeping in mind you absolutely have to have a car in 99% of the country if you want to work

 

[Actvs Dei]

One thing we need especially in Austin is more affordable places to live. Nothing but luxury apts everywhere. 2k+ a month for rent is ridiculous for a lot of people

 

[Sp33dealer]

A job shipping an item every 2 minutes for 8 hours a day 5 days a week sitting in a warehouse sounds like a mind numbing and shitty job even at $25/hour and you should expect high turn over.

You think that’s mind numbing?

I‘ve been manufacturing my whole career, imagine doing the same exact task 1,200 times per hour on an assembly line for 8 hrs a day

 

[Jesus]

keeping in mind you absolutely have to have a car in 99% of the country if you want to work

Yup. I forgot to mention that. If I didn't have a vehicle, there's no way I'd be able to commute. I feel bad for one of my employees. Wherever she has to pick up a shift, she has to Uber. She probably spends about as much as she makes in a shift just to commute. It's ridiculous.

 

[whatever]

People who complain about this shit don't know the real world. They think being paid a living wage entails some luxurious lifestyle with silk sheets and lobster pancakes, when in reality is trying to afford a fucking shack and grilled cheese sandwiches, and if you're REALLY lucky, a car. I know, it's a lot to ask.

im perfectly comfortable with a living wage being tied to the place of employment by county or something similar. living wage = min wage. 40 hours work = simple apartment, groceries, transportation basic or public.

we live in a mostly car based society aside from very limited places.

 

[obscure/renegade]

i dont think in the top economy in the world anyone should have to work more than 40 hours a week to cover basic apartment, food and medical expenses.

I agree with you, believe it or not. I'm looking to get to the root of things with @Jesus which is...

I think you're missing the point here. Owners and managers are getting a raw deal as well. Everyone knows corporate greed is the real issue, but nothing is done about it. These people do nothing but sit on their ass and hoard wealth. It's what is truly ruining society and pitting the lower and middle class against each other.

Right here. Exactly. The real issue is waaaay up top, and that position is unassailable by the common person.

Nothing can be done about that, without large-scale federal intervention. A total code revamp, a luxury tax, unified offshoring revamp, might help? And what's to stop the actual rich from saying fuck it, closing down entire umbrella corporations and moving to Monaco?

Things will never be equal, and a hell of a lot of people will always struggle. Since large-scale agriculture and clocks became a thing, we have been on this path. The only real advice you can follow in this dog-eat-dog world is, get yours because for sure everyone else is going to do the same.

AI, of course, is going to take this upset apple cart and launch it into the sun.

 

[Faithless]

I agree with you, believe it or not. I'm looking to get to the root of things with @Jesus which is...

Right here. Exactly. The real issue is waaaay up top, and that position is unassailable by the common person.

Nothing can be done about that, without large-scale federal intervention. A total code revamp, a luxury tax, unified offshoring revamp, might help? And what's to stop the actual rich from saying fuck it, closing down entire umbrella corporations and moving to Monaco?

Things will never be equal, and a hell of a lot of people will always struggle. Since large-scale agriculture and clocks became a thing, we have been on this path. The only real advice you can follow in this dog-eat-dog world is, get yours because for sure everyone else is going to do the same.

AI, of course, is going to take this upset apple cart and launch it into the sun.

This is what keeps the top untouchable. This mentality galvanizes their power

 

[sans_pants]

no one is asking for things to be equal

 

[Dusty Busterson]

I agree with you, believe it or not. I'm looking to get to the root of things with @Jesus which is...

Right here. Exactly. The real issue is waaaay up top, and that position is unassailable by the common person.

Nothing can be done about that, without large-scale federal intervention. A total code revamp, a luxury tax, unified offshoring revamp, might help? And what's to stop the actual rich from saying fuck it, closing down entire umbrella corporations and moving to Monaco?

Things will never be equal, and a hell of a lot of people will always struggle. Since large-scale agriculture and clocks became a thing, we have been on this path. The only real advice you can follow in this dog-eat-dog world is, get yours because for sure everyone else is going to do the same.

AI, of course, is going to take this upset apple cart and launch it into the sun.

It doesn’t have to be that way and people are realizing that.

 

[obscure/renegade]

This is what keeps the top untouchable. This mentality galvanizes their power

Show me where the mansions are, and I'll grab a pitchfork for you on the way.

It doesn’t have to be that way and people are realizing that.

I'd say people have been resigned to it, and are finally interested in change.

 

[Jesus]

no one is asking for things to be equal

The hogs who whine about people asking for FAIR wages don't seem to be able to wrap their heads around this one.

 

[Vilnius]

Nothing can be done about that, without large-scale federal intervention. A total code revamp, a luxury tax, unified offshoring revamp, might help? And what's to stop the actual rich from saying fuck it, closing down entire umbrella corporations and moving to Monaco?

 

[obscure/renegade]

The hogs who whine about people asking for FAIR wages don't seem to be able to wrap their heads around this one.

Right, it's about leveling things out. There is a wild concentration at the very top that needs some adjustment.

The only people who can do something are the elected officials, and I trust them about as much as I would a blind bull in my house.

 

[Jesus]

It doesn’t have to be that way and people are realizing that.

It absolutely shouldn't be this way, and the system was manipulated, behind the scenes, for it to be this way. Regular working citizens don't have the time, or the education to really see that. People just want to be comfortable, safe, and take care of themselves and their families. Maybe have a little free time here and there. Instead we've reverted back to depression era instincts to have to work ourselves to the bone just to maybe scrape by, while a few fortunate souls ride around in yachts and helicopters, spewing rhetoric about 'love thy neighbor'. Fuck off with all that.

 

[AKF]

Right, it's about leveling things out. There is a wild concentration at the very top that needs some adjustment.

The only people who can do something are the elected officials, and I trust them about as much as I would a blind bull in my house.

when you dig deeper, you will find that corporatists and politicians travel in the same circles

 

[whatever]

I agree with you, believe it or not. I'm looking to get to the root of things with @Jesus which is...

Right here. Exactly. The real issue is waaaay up top, and that position is unassailable by the common person.

Nothing can be done about that, without large-scale federal intervention. A total code revamp, a luxury tax, unified offshoring revamp, might help? And what's to stop the actual rich from saying fuck it, closing down entire umbrella corporations and moving to Monaco?

Things will never be equal, and a hell of a lot of people will always struggle. Since large-scale agriculture and clocks became a thing, we have been on this path. The only real advice you can follow in this dog-eat-dog world is, get yours because for sure everyone else is going to do the same.

AI, of course, is going to take this upset apple cart and launch it into the sun.

Good pints in here

 

[I<3URANUS]

when you dig deeper, you will find that corporatists and politicians travel in the same circles