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Jason

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If the people involved had their discussions on IRC or a private forum (and then didn't share it all over the rest of the internet), the comparison to a discussion at a bar would still miss the mark, but it'd at least be in the ballpark.
 

RedWings

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Jun 28, 2005
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Yeah blame the media's incompetency on reddit.

:hsugh:

Believe it or not, people don't just rely on the media for information. When you have 11ty redditors circling people in a crowd and those pictures are being copied all over the internet, some people are going to believe it. Shit...even one guy went to the police because he was scared they thought it was him.
 

Firewall97

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Dec 28, 2002
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Believe it or not, people don't just rely on the media for information. When you have 11ty redditors circling people in a crowd and those pictures are being copied all over the internet, some people are going to believe it. Shit...even one guy went to the police because he was scared they thought it was him.
:roflw:
 

Casba

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Jul 6, 2011
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Believe it or not, people don't just rely on the media for information. When you have 11ty redditors circling people in a crowd and those pictures are being copied all over the internet, some people are going to believe it. Shit...even one guy went to the police because he was scared they thought it was him.

Crowds of people coming together to fabricate information?

Sounds like a conspiracy theory.
 

Jason

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Aug 25, 2002
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So how did reddit do a fuckload of damage again?

I didn't realize reddit was a credible source of information.

It's not a credible source of information.

That doesn't stop people from taking all the tweets, retweets, and facebook posts accusing "suspects" as credible.

Did you even read my first post?
 

Jason

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Believe it or not, people don't just rely on the media for information. When you have 11ty redditors circling people in a crowd and those pictures are being copied all over the internet, some people are going to believe it. Shit...even one guy went to the police because he was scared they thought it was him.

You means it's nothing like a private conversation at a bar? :wtc:
 

robwormald

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Oct 8, 2002
33,019
Santa Cruz, CA
Again with this atrocious comparison to a discussion at a bar. :bowrofl:

The two couldn't possibly be any further from one another. By the time any media "professionals" got involved, reddit had already done a fuckload of damage by tweeting and sharing their baseless accusations all over the internet. Putting "blue robe guy" (or the two teenagers, or the hispanic guy, or anyone else they blamed) on blast throughout the internet is abso-fucking-lutely nothing like doing the same kind of shit talking about someone from the end of a bar.
I disagree with you saying reddit had done major damage before the news media got involved. a bunch of people were involved initially, but it turned into a firestorm when the media started linking to the thread. that reddit forum got more traffic than any other reddit forum in the history of reddit, all coming from news/blog sites referring to it.

thinking a bit more about it, i'd say the problem is more with twitter than reddit - reddit has some form of control in the sense there's context - there's arguemnts and discussion on both sides.

twitter on the other hand, forces information into 140 character snippets which by definition almost always remove any context.

that's hugely exacerbated by the fact that apparently the media as well as government agencies have decided it's an acceptable form of communication.
 

Jason

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I disagree with you saying reddit had done major damage before the news media got involved. a bunch of people were involved initially, but it turned into a firestorm when the media started linking to the thread. that reddit forum got more traffic than any other reddit forum in the history of reddit, all coming from news/blog sites referring to it.

thinking a bit more about it, i'd say the problem is more with twitter than reddit - reddit has some form of control in the sense there's context - there's arguemnts and discussion on both sides.

twitter on the other hand, forces information into 140 character snippets which by definition almost always remove any context.

that's hugely exacerbated by the fact that apparently the media as well as government agencies have decided it's an acceptable form of communication.

It turned into a firestorm by the people involved on reddit and 4chan tweeting and posting on facebook, not news media.

News media only got involved at the tail end of things, after millions of people had already seen the baseless accusations - because they were made in a public forum wide open to millions of people, which is absolutely nothing like a private conversation at a bar.
 

victor77

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Mar 13, 2011
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Boston bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev may have murdered his 'only American friend' in an unsolved triple killing two years ago, it emerged today.
Brendan Mess had his 'throat slit' alongside two other men in a Massachusetts apartment in 2011 in what police described as a 'very graphic crime scene'.
Former associates of the Chechan immigrant didn't initially suspect him of carrying out the gruesome attack, but thought it was strange he didn't attend his friend's funeral.
Now one man who knew Tamerlan through the gym where they trained said some of their social circle 'without even speaking about it beforehand have all been thinking' he could be involved.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ering-American-friend-2011.html#ixzz2RDv0Msxp

Dude may have killed 2 others in 2011.
 

robwormald

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Oct 8, 2002
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Santa Cruz, CA
It turned into a firestorm by the people involved on reddit and 4chan tweeting and posting on facebook, not news media.

News media only got involved at the tail end of things, after millions of people had already seen the baseless accusations - because they were made in a public forum wide open to millions of people, which is absolutely nothing like a private conversation at a bar.
it's hardly a public forum - it's not something that shows up on the front page of reddit by default. anybody who was in that forum was linked by somebody else. it's not something you'd stumble upon.

posts like these (filtered for the first couple of days after the bombing) fueled the fire big time IMO.

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Jason

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Aug 25, 2002
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Boston bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev may have murdered his 'only American friend' in an unsolved triple killing two years ago, it emerged today.
Brendan Mess had his 'throat slit' alongside two other men in a Massachusetts apartment in 2011 in what police described as a 'very graphic crime scene'.
Former associates of the Chechan immigrant didn't initially suspect him of carrying out the gruesome attack, but thought it was strange he didn't attend his friend's funeral.
Now one man who knew Tamerlan through the gym where they trained said some of their social circle 'without even speaking about it beforehand have all been thinking' he could be involved.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ering-American-friend-2011.html#ixzz2RDv0Msxp

Dude may have killed 2 others in 2011.

3 others?
 

Jason

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Aug 25, 2002
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it's hardly a public forum - it's not something that shows up on the front page of reddit by default. anybody who was in that forum was linked by somebody else. it's not something you'd stumble upon.

posts like these (filtered for the first couple of days after the bombing) fueled the fire big time IMO.

CDCDwwE.png

Oh look, some no name blogs. That's nothing at all like exactly what I said.

:uh:

Of course it's a fucking public forum, do you even know what fucking "public means"? :ugh:
 

robwormald

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Oct 8, 2002
33,019
Santa Cruz, CA
Oh look, some no name blogs. That's nothing at all like exactly what I said.

:uh:

Of course it's a fucking public forum, do you even know what fucking "public means"? :ugh:
okay, nationals :

http://www.fastcompany.com/3008466/...sourced-boston-marathon-bombing-investigation

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/04/reddit-and-4chan-are-boston-bomber-case/64312/

http://www.ibtimes.com/10-boston-marathon-bombing-suspects-4chan-reddit-found-photos-1199213

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout...tify-potential-suspects-boston-195842168.html

all of those are media sites that were perfectly happy to link to the subreddit, before all the backlash popped up.

I'm not saying redditors are not in the wrong here, but IMO it was made infinitely worse by giving it national media attention.
 

Jason

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Aug 25, 2002
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okay, nationals :

http://www.fastcompany.com/3008466/...sourced-boston-marathon-bombing-investigation

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/04/reddit-and-4chan-are-boston-bomber-case/64312/

http://www.ibtimes.com/10-boston-marathon-bombing-suspects-4chan-reddit-found-photos-1199213

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout...tify-potential-suspects-boston-195842168.html

all of those are media sites that were perfectly happy to link to the subreddit, before all the backlash popped up.

I'm not saying redditors are not in the wrong here, but IMO it was made infinitely worse by giving it national media attention.

All of these were written in response to the damage being done by reddit and 4chan all on their own. :uh:

National media only picked it up after and because reddit and 4chan had already spread the bullshit all over the internet.
 

tman701

No Lightning No care
May 8, 2001
323
I'm sure this has been posted before in this thread, but in this day and age we will see more of this type of detective work whenever events like this take place.

The more digital we become and the more access folks have to digital media recording devices, this will continue to happen.

While some may argue both sides of the coin, none of us can really say with any certainty that the images posted online on several forums weren't used by the authorities. Even if it was only to clear subjects that were being suspected/accused by internet detectives.
 

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