Discussion in 'On Topic' started by one66stang, Apr 18, 2006.
video in the first post.
I've seen that before, it's disgrace to hunting.
shooting them at 100 yads standing at a deer feeder is better or worse?
About the same, probably slightly better because at least at a 100yds it has a chance to see/hear/wind you, but it's still an unethical way to hunt in my opinion.
the only real hunting is with a bow and a knife
what round is doing that?
Thats actually pretty impressive. Most people around here have a hard enough time getting a clean kill at 100 yards. Being able to drop something in it's tracks at 500+ yards is And dont give me that ethics bullshit either.
with your bare hands.
Their finished rifles weigh 10.5lbs
...that's alot of weight for a hunting rifle unless it has a bore the size of a dime?
Take a look at how heavy those long range hunting rifles are that people use from benchrests. Some are 30lbs.
Heavier makes them more stable for distance shooting.
M1 Garand is 10lbs and soldiers carried them all around.
Benchrest rifles are 30lbs because that's what they are, benchrest rifles. You carry them from your truck to the bench, get you a nice comfy stool, shoot the shit, get a drink, fire off a bunch of rounds at whatever, get another drink, clean your bore, fire some more, clean, and call it a day. Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking them, but this is really a horrible comparison, as is pointing out the weight of an M1; you aren't doing the same thing with them.
What I was really getting at is when you hunt all day a 10.5lb rifle can become a bear to carry around and the majority of people who hunt with rifles like these guys use are idiots. Frankly things like heavy barrels, beavertail forends, 50mm scopes with 30mm tubes and target knobs, etc have little to no place in big game hunting.
It's not hunting, it's target shooting. If you wanna do that, shoot paper.
When you're shooting at that distance you've taken the animal out of the equation, the only chance it really has is if you miss. Plus, there's a disgusting amount of error possible at that distance, potentially leaving a wounded animal you will more than likely never recover.
If you have the skills and the gun to do it, it's fine. Some animals you can't get up close on or depending on the terrain it's just not possible. Mule Deer hunting out here in Nevada is commonly a 400-500 yard shot because of the terrain and lack of coverage.
I would bitch more about trophy hunters that only kill to mount a head on a wall and brag to friends than someone using long range shots to put food on the table.
whatever makes you feel better
Oh nooees that doesn't give the animal a chance! Thats unethical!
Like a deer has any reasonable chance against a guy with a fucking gun anyway
I agree with this.
So you are saying an animal has a better chance with a hunter at a 100yds with a high power scope on a rifle
I'm not saying I approve of it, hunting over food is fucking pathetic, but IN THEORY it could have the chance to see or smell you or whatever.
I can see that you, and the rest of the people in this thread, hunt alot.
Even hunters with light rifles, I hear their hunting stores and it involves them walking into the woods and then sitting in a tree all day. The weight of the rifle wouldn't appear to be a problem until they tried to take a shot from an unsupported position.
Carrying a 10lb rifle that you'll shoot from a supported position, most probably prone with a bi-pod, for a 500+ yard shot doesn't appear to me to posess a problem.
I was simply comparing it to a benchrest rifle because those rifles are make to take long distance shots, sometimes equal distances to what these hunters are shooting, and they are much heavier.
If anyone wants to bitch about long range hunters, then it needs to be the guy's that drive around, see an animal across the valley, park their jeep or truck and pull a fucking benchrest out of the back and set it up to take the shot.
But then the deer would have a chance to see/hear you
You're right, there's no use in being sporting about it, let's just kill whatever we can.