SRS Putin declares war in Ukraine, surprising no one

Tomash

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the calculus is that we would do a conventional response to russia's nuclear attack on UA.

then we're playing with fire that RU doesnt start lobbing nukes all over since that conventional attack really puts russia's existence in jeopardy.


I do wonder what talks the US is having with china over this if it goes HOT hot.
I wonder what ever happened to Star Wars...
 
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Charlie

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the calculus is that we would do a conventional response to russia's nuclear attack on UA.

then we're playing with fire that RU doesnt start lobbing nukes all over since that conventional attack really puts russia's existence in jeopardy.


I do wonder what talks the US is having with china over this if it goes HOT hot.
I wish China would just fight the war with Russia instead of us. They could take the entire east and stop paying for oil.
 

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I'm not sure US would nuke Russia in response to a nuclear attack against Ukraine, but Russian military within 1991 borders of Europe, with all its equipment, technology, and infrastructure would be wrecked within 12 hours.

We saw how the Iraqis responded to Persian Gulf Wars 2 and 3 - this wouldn't be any different. Mass surrender in shock would follow amongst those who would survive,
Agree. NATO has a plan right now to wreck every conventional capability ru has without using nukes in response. NATO would not need to go to nukes. Black Sea fleet, gone. All major concentrations of troops, equipment, AAA & bases in UA, gone. Logistical railways and bridges ru needs, gone.

ru knows they can't handle NATO as a whole, or even a single NATO country.
 

whatever

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Agree. NATO has a plan right now to wreck every conventional capability ru has without using nukes in response. NATO would not need to go to nukes. Black Sea fleet, gone. All major concentrations of troops, equipment, AAA & bases in UA, gone. Logistical railways and bridges ru needs, gone.

ru knows they can't handle NATO as a whole, or even a single NATO country.

thus their response would be nuclear to such an attack im afraid
 

whatever

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A source with knowledge of U.S. intelligence tells Newsy that Putin is more engaged now in the war than ever before, believing he is the only one who can turn around Russia’s losses. He has advisers inside and outside of the Kremlin, some of whom are telling him to get tougher in Ukraine.
 

whatever

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putler might be that dumb, but I'm hoping his generals are not. I don't think NATO would attack inside ru, they would just destroy ru's capability to fight within UA.

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A source with knowledge of U.S. intelligence tells Newsy that Putin is more engaged now in the war than ever before.
Just how desperate is Vladimir Putin?
Two sources familiar with U.S. intelligence say that senior officers in Russia’s intelligence community are getting fed up with their president.
There are indications that Putin’s critics there want to replace the former KGB officer with a current intelligence official, and a person may have been chosen, according to one source. It comes as major losses in Ukraine drove Putin to announce a partial draft — even as he still refuses to call his invasion a war:
 

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A source with knowledge of U.S. intelligence tells Newsy that Putin is more engaged now in the war than ever before, believing he is the only one who can turn around Russia’s losses. He has advisers inside and outside of the Kremlin, some of whom are telling him to get tougher in Ukraine.
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A source with knowledge of U.S. intelligence tells Newsy that Putin is more engaged now in the war than ever before.
Just how desperate is Vladimir Putin?
Two sources familiar with U.S. intelligence say that senior officers in Russia’s intelligence community are getting fed up with their president.
There are indications that Putin’s critics there want to replace the former KGB officer with a current intelligence official, and a person may have been chosen, according to one source. It comes as major losses in Ukraine drove Putin to announce a partial draft — even as he still refuses to call his invasion a war:
Sounds about right, though not sure if that's good or bad.
 
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Vanilla Tarantino

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Lithuania literally wrote the playbook for the post USSR and fuck Russia era. During their independence movement Russia killed a number of protestors and Lithuanian's have vehemently hated Russians since (before too). My sister-in-law was born and from Lithuania. Her parents were at the protests in 1991.


On 11 March 1990, the Supreme Council announced the restoration of Lithuania's independence.[122] After refusal to revoke the Act, the Soviet forces stormed the Seimas Palace, while Lithuanians defended their democratically elected Council. The Act was the first such declaration in the USSR and later served as a model, inspiration to other Soviet republics, and strongly influenced the dissolution of the Soviet Union.

Gradually, economic relations had been restored. However, tensions had peaked again in January 1991. At that time, attempts were made to carry out a coup using the Soviet Armed Forces, the Internal Army of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the USSR Committee for State Security (KGB). Because of the poor economic situation in Lithuania, the forces in Moscow thought the coup d'état would receive strong public support.[124]


People from all over Lithuania flooded to Vilnius to defend their legitimately elected Supreme Council of the Republic of Lithuania and independence. The coup ended with a few casualties of peaceful civilians and caused huge material loss. Not a single person who defended Lithuanian Parliament or other state institutions used a weapon, but the Soviet Army did. Soviet soldiers killed 14 people and injured hundreds. A large part of the Lithuanian population participated in the January Events.[126][127] Shortly after, on 11 February 1991, the Icelandic parliament voted to confirm that Iceland's 1922 recognition of Lithuanian independence was still in full effect, as it never formally recognized the Soviet Union's control over Lithuania,[128] and that full diplomatic relations should be established as soon as possible.[129][130]

On 31 July 1991, Soviet paramilitaries killed seven Lithuanian border guards on the Belarusian border in what became known as the Medininkai Massacre.[131] On 17 September 1991, Lithuania was admitted to the United Nations.
Half Lithuanian. Can confirm. Lithuanian relatives in the States here fucking HATE Russia.

When I was a kid, grandfather told me that I should get rid of all of my red Hot Wheels cars because they were Commie cars.

Lithuanians are incredibly proud of their history and especially of their fight for independence from the USSR. I have so much Lithuanian paraphernalia from relatives :rofl:
 

spiko

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Half Lithuanian. Can confirm. Lithuanian relatives in the States here fucking HATE Russia.

When I was a kid, grandfather told me that I should get rid of all of my red Hot Wheels cars because they were Commie cars.

Lithuanians are incredibly proud of their history and especially of their fight for independence from the USSR. I have so much Lithuanian paraphernalia from relatives :rofl:
:coold:

I hope to visit Vilnius one of these days.

I'm also trying to get my sister-in-law's parents bring me a few of the commerative Ukrainian coins they released.

 
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