SRS Putin declares war in Ukraine, surprising no one

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Porsche built tanks for the Nazis, Krupp built gun barrels, BMW made engines for basically everything that drove flew or floated the Nazis built (Except for the stuff that got Mercedes or Maybach engines), MAN (as in the guys that do big marine diesels) built the U-boat fleets.

Subaru was Fuji was Nakajima building airplanes for Imperial Japan. Mitsubishi built aircraft and ships for the Imperial Japanese Navy.

Airbus was formed in part out of Messerschmitt, Blohm, Focke-Wulf and Heinkel.


You found VW and thought you'd reached the bottom of the rabbithole, but you don't even know how deep it goes :rofl:
You forgot to include why Datsun wasn’t Nissan for so long in the us.
 
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Porsche built tanks for the Nazis, Krupp built gun barrels, BMW made engines for basically everything that drove flew or floated the Nazis built (Except for the stuff that got Mercedes or Maybach engines), MAN (as in the guys that do big marine diesels) built the U-boat fleets.

Subaru was Fuji was Nakajima building airplanes for Imperial Japan. Mitsubishi built aircraft and ships for the Imperial Japanese Navy.

Airbus was formed in part out of Messerschmitt, Blohm, Focke-Wulf and Heinkel.


You found VW and thought you'd reached the bottom of the rabbithole, but you don't even know how deep it goes :rofl:
you can do the same with American manufacturers and weapons of war though, just we are the "good guys" so it's okay. The military-industrial complex wasn't really a thing that made news until Eisenhower talked about it, but it's a thing that has existed since the dawn of mass industrialization. :hs: :dunno:
 

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you can do the same with American manufacturers and weapons of war though, just we are the "good guys" so it's okay. The military-industrial complex wasn't really a thing that made news until Eisenhower talked about it, but it's a thing that has existed since the dawn of mass industrialization. :hs: :dunno:
Pretty much. My point was more that people should be care about saying "Oh XYZ is evil because they support(ed) ABC". Like, cool, but slow your roll.

Japan wouldn't have been nuked or other cities firebombed if it wasn't for Boeing afterall.
 

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Porsche built tanks for the Nazis, Krupp built gun barrels, BMW made engines for basically everything that drove flew or floated the Nazis built (Except for the stuff that got Mercedes or Maybach engines), MAN (as in the guys that do big marine diesels) built the U-boat fleets.

Subaru was Fuji was Nakajima building airplanes for Imperial Japan. Mitsubishi built aircraft and ships for the Imperial Japanese Navy.

Airbus was formed in part out of Messerschmitt, Blohm, Focke-Wulf and Heinkel.


You found VW and thought you'd reached the bottom of the rabbithole, but you don't even know how deep it goes :rofl:
Its a little bit different to be in a country making parts for your country by pretty much being ordered by your President to do so, vs being literally founded by Hitler.
 

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Its a little bit different to be in a country making parts for your country by pretty much being ordered by your President to do so, vs being literally founded by Hitler.
that's a hard thread to tug on though considering he established the programs that would eventually lead to the US landing a man on the moon, too... at a certain point of distance in time/space you have to divorce the evil from the result. :o
 

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Its a little bit different to be in a country making parts for your country by pretty much being ordered by your President to do so, vs being literally founded by Hitler.
.....
You do realize these companies were competing to try to win contracts right? Hell BMW/Benz/MAN were all violating the Versailles treating intentionally to give germany a leg up on R&D for the next war. I'm not sure why you're trying to excuse everything else while nailing VW specifically. "Oh yeah I mean IBM helped the Nazi's keep track of all the Jews even when it became clear where it was headed, and Porsche and BMW used slave labor, but that VW being founded by Hitler sure is bad!"
 
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that's a hard thread to tug on though considering he established the programs that would eventually lead to the US landing a man on the moon, too... at a certain point of distance in time/space you have to divorce the evil from the result. :o
:mamoru:

He's not ready for Paperclip and LUSTY.
 
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Lessors sue insurers for $6.5bn over planes stuck in Russia

Red Wings Airlines Airbus A321-200Red Wings Airlines Airbus A321-200© Red Wings Airlines

23.11.2022 - 09:11 UTC

Lessors are lining up to launch legal action against dozens of insurance companies for a total of around USD6.5 billion as they try to pursue claims over losses linked to Russia’s war in Ukraine, Reuters news agency reported.

The lawsuits tend to be against syndicates of law firms and are related to hundreds of aircraft stuck in Russia since Moscow’s invasion on February 24. More than 400 Western-made and leased aircraft worth around USD10 billion have remained there since sanctions prompted President Vladimir Putin to sign a law enabling local carriers to move them to the Russian register.

According to the lessors, the mostly Airbus and Boeing aircraft are covered by insurance policies against war or theft. As ch-aviation reported earlier this month, Avolon lodged a claim at Ireland’s High Court against a syndicate of 15 insurers led by Lloyd’s of London.

However, the insurance companies have argued that the jets are not damaged and may yet return to their owners in the future.

Reuters listed eight claims that lessors have filed against insurers in Dublin, London, and the United States between June and November:

In June, AerCap brought a USD3.5 billion lawsuit in the UK capital against AIG and Lloyd’s over 141 aircraft and 29 aircraft engines it owns and leased to Russian airlines.

In August, Miami-based Aviator Capital filed a USD147 million claim in a court in Florida against Chubb, HDI Global, Hive Underwriters, and 12 Lloyd’s of London syndicates related to four commercial aircraft and three engines. According to the ch-aviation fleets ownership module, three Aviator jets are currently stored in Russia - two A320-200s and one A321-200 - all leased to Red Wings Airlines, while one B777-200(ER) is launched to Ukraine International Airlines and is stored at Kyiv Boryspil.

Last month, DAE Capital lodged a London lawsuit against 11 insurers, including AIG, Chubb, Lloyd’s, and Swiss Re, having already written off almost USD600 million because 19 of its aircraft are stuck in Russia.

In late October, Carlyle Aviation Partners filed a USD700 million claim in Florida against more than 30 insurance firms that refused to pay it for 23 of its lost aircraft.

At about the same time, Aircastle also sued more than 30 insurers, this time at the Supreme Court of the State of New York, due to nine of its jets and other equipment stranded in Russia for which it had booked USD252 million in impairment losses.

As mentioned above, Irish lessor Avolon, which is owned by China’s Bohai Leasing, launched litigation in early November against 15 insurance companies, having revealed details on April 30 of a USD304 million first-quarter impairment.

On November 3, Singapore-based BOC Aviation started legal action at Ireland’s High Court against 16 insurance companies including AIG, Chubb, Lloyd’s, and Swiss Re, having recognised an USD804 million asset write-down from its 17 jets in Russia. A court filing said it thought it unlikely to recover the aircraft “in the foreseeable future, if ever.”

And most recently, on November 15, China Development Bank-owned but Ireland-based CDB Aviation filed a claim at Ireland’s High Court against 18 insurance firms, having recognised a CNY747 million yuan (USD105 million) write-down that is not the full value of the aircraft.
 
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Anyone able to provide a bullet point update of noteworthy events over the last 2 months? Or a link to something similar?

Had our baby girl and I really needed to focus my attention there and tried to limit any political/war/negative info at the time but I want to reignite my hatred for Russia now lol.
UA pump faked the Russians in the north for a big counter attack, they're making steady gains in the south, HIMARs fucking wrecking face still, Iran about to find out if they keep supplying shit to Russia, rasputina mud has arrived, Russians that were drafted are going from not-in-the-miltary to KIA or captured within days.
 

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Anyone able to provide a bullet point update of noteworthy events over the last 2 months? Or a link to something similar?

Had our baby girl and I really needed to focus my attention there and tried to limit any political/war/negative info at the time but I want to reignite my hatred for Russia now lol.
:rofl: man, there's a lot... cliffs version is probably: Putin continues to flail, a bunch of dead Russian conscripts and blacked out Ukrainian civilian homes continue to exist as a result. Ukraine seems to be taking back new chunks of country almost daily.
 
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biggest change for a couple weeks was iranian drones being used in UA. then RU left kherson in retreat. they dug in across the river tho to prevent the march to the bridge.

its mud season there as well. weather is a major factor.

RU is suffering 400-800 losses per day any more. we're gona bust 100k in jan i'd guess.

RU is conscripting another 750,000 to send to the front lines to die.
 
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Lessors sue insurers for $6.5bn over planes stuck in Russia

Red Wings Airlines Airbus A321-200Red Wings Airlines Airbus A321-200© Red Wings Airlines

23.11.2022 - 09:11 UTC

Lessors are lining up to launch legal action against dozens of insurance companies for a total of around USD6.5 billion as they try to pursue claims over losses linked to Russia’s war in Ukraine, Reuters news agency reported.

The lawsuits tend to be against syndicates of law firms and are related to hundreds of aircraft stuck in Russia since Moscow’s invasion on February 24. More than 400 Western-made and leased aircraft worth around USD10 billion have remained there since sanctions prompted President Vladimir Putin to sign a law enabling local carriers to move them to the Russian register.

According to the lessors, the mostly Airbus and Boeing aircraft are covered by insurance policies against war or theft. As ch-aviation reported earlier this month, Avolon lodged a claim at Ireland’s High Court against a syndicate of 15 insurers led by Lloyd’s of London.

However, the insurance companies have argued that the jets are not damaged and may yet return to their owners in the future.

Reuters listed eight claims that lessors have filed against insurers in Dublin, London, and the United States between June and November:

In June, AerCap brought a USD3.5 billion lawsuit in the UK capital against AIG and Lloyd’s over 141 aircraft and 29 aircraft engines it owns and leased to Russian airlines.

In August, Miami-based Aviator Capital filed a USD147 million claim in a court in Florida against Chubb, HDI Global, Hive Underwriters, and 12 Lloyd’s of London syndicates related to four commercial aircraft and three engines. According to the ch-aviation fleets ownership module, three Aviator jets are currently stored in Russia - two A320-200s and one A321-200 - all leased to Red Wings Airlines, while one B777-200(ER) is launched to Ukraine International Airlines and is stored at Kyiv Boryspil.

Last month, DAE Capital lodged a London lawsuit against 11 insurers, including AIG, Chubb, Lloyd’s, and Swiss Re, having already written off almost USD600 million because 19 of its aircraft are stuck in Russia.

In late October, Carlyle Aviation Partners filed a USD700 million claim in Florida against more than 30 insurance firms that refused to pay it for 23 of its lost aircraft.

At about the same time, Aircastle also sued more than 30 insurers, this time at the Supreme Court of the State of New York, due to nine of its jets and other equipment stranded in Russia for which it had booked USD252 million in impairment losses.

As mentioned above, Irish lessor Avolon, which is owned by China’s Bohai Leasing, launched litigation in early November against 15 insurance companies, having revealed details on April 30 of a USD304 million first-quarter impairment.

On November 3, Singapore-based BOC Aviation started legal action at Ireland’s High Court against 16 insurance companies including AIG, Chubb, Lloyd’s, and Swiss Re, having recognised an USD804 million asset write-down from its 17 jets in Russia. A court filing said it thought it unlikely to recover the aircraft “in the foreseeable future, if ever.”

And most recently, on November 15, China Development Bank-owned but Ireland-based CDB Aviation filed a claim at Ireland’s High Court against 18 insurance firms, having recognised a CNY747 million yuan (USD105 million) write-down that is not the full value of the aircraft.
Insurance trying to get out of paying? no way!
 

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