Putin declares war in Ukraine, surprising no one

Ninja

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RU absolutely did it.
I think the US/UK would have released Intel by now proving it. IMO- It also doesn't make much sense for Russia to have done it. Moscow was still pushing for the pipe to come online up until its destruction.
 

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I think the US/UK would have released Intel by now proving it. IMO- It also doesn't make much sense for Russia to have done it. Moscow was still pushing for the pipe to come online up until its destruction.

thats classic russian tho.
 

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it was most likely RU, obviously.

i could see a motive on the allied side as well.

i dont think we are talking about leopards being on their way to UKR if that line is still open.

russia is not a rational actor in this. they do irrational things. like blow up the pipe line to try and force germany into a cold winter. that would lead to germany trying to force nato into a truce somehow.
 

Jacko

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russia is not a rational actor in this. they do irrational things. like blow up the pipe line to try and force germany into a cold winter. that would lead to germany trying to force nato into a truce somehow.
well, the only way that makes sense is if they are irrational, because the only logical plan in that scenario is to keep the pipe as a bargaining chip.
 

Ninja

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it was most likely RU, obviously.

i could see a motive on the allied side as well.

i dont think we are talking about leopards being on their way to UKR if that line is still open.
I don't see a strong Russian motive. Like you said- if the pipeline was still open, Germany probably would be much less inclined to send additional lethal aide such as Leopard 2 tanks. Moscow no longer has that leverage.
 

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well, the only way that makes sense is if they are irrational, because the only logical plan in that scenario is to keep the pipe as a bargaining chip.

invading a country with 40m people during the spring thaw kinda irrational?
 
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Jacko

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I don't see a strong Russian motive. Like you said- if the pipeline was still open, Germany probably would be much less inclined to send additional lethal aide such as Leopard 2 tanks. Moscow no longer has that leverage.
yes, which is why one would need to question if they are in fact rational, or smart.
 

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I don't see a strong Russian motive. Like you said- if the pipeline was still open, Germany probably would be much less inclined to send additional lethal aide such as Leopard 2 tanks. Moscow no longer has that leverage.

a cold germany public forces their leadership to do even more.
 

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