Discussion in 'On Topic' started by GPK, Jun 5, 2007.
Can you put an SBR upper on a regular lower? Or are the SBRs serialized differently?
AR im guessing? The lower is the part that has to be registered as a SBR, there is no reg on the uppers themselves. You can put any length upper you want on your registered lower.
Yeah, sorry about that. I'm talking about AR-15s. The lowers are the same though right? I was thinking about building one in the future, but couldn't seem to find any info on whether or not I needed to buy a special lower.
Nothing special needed you can take a standard AR lower, get the SBR stamp and slap on a SBR upper.
OK cool. Thanks!
The lower itself is registered as the SBR.
The upper just has a short barrel.
Once you complete your NFA forms to make/register a regular AR lower you need to engrave your name, city and state in the lower somewhere visible. This, plus paperwork, and $200 postage stamp makes up the legal SBR.
Once you have your SBR you can have any length upper you want, but on the paper you need to fill out the total length of your SBR, so you need to report any uppers you may have on your gun other than the length stated on your NFA form. Also, for every SBR upper you have, you can't have any other non-SBR AR's in the same house. If you have two 10.5" uppers and one SBR lower and another AR under the same roof, they can get you for intent on making a non-NFA SBR, if you were ever searched.
Really? So I can't already have a standard AR-15 M4 and an SBR at the same time?
Disagree completely. Thompson/Center case takes the converse opinion and sets legal precedent.
No, what he is saying is you can't have 2 <16" uppers and only one SBR lower while having a non-sbr lower.
Ah OK, I re-read what he said. I got it now.
you are WRONG. US vs. Kent
i thought you only had to have the name, city & state engraved if you start with a receiver blank? how the fuck do you sell it after that?
you dont, dude, they have to pay the $200 tax again...it would be silly to buy a used SBR
sell it like any other nfa item.
Just for more depth to the answers, the reason you need to get it engraved is because after you put it on a Form 1, you're considered the manufacturer.
What if you buy one that is already complete?
no need to engrave your info because you arent the manufacturer
edit: those arent SBR's, those are pistols. the same rules mentioned above would apply since YOU would be turning it into a SBR.
OK, I must not be clear on what an SBR is then. I though the "pistols" and SBRs were the same thing.
No, an AR15 lower receiver that's registered as an AR pistol can have uppers of any length, just no buttstock.
no. a pistol is just that, a pistol. when you add a stock to that, it becomes a short barreled RIFLE... a short barreled RIFLE is any gun with a stock, and barrel of less then 16 inches(you could have a 14.5" barrel and a 1.5" flash hider for 16" though)
you can put a stock on that pistol, but you would need to SBR it.
must be permanently attached, I'd just like to add
Ah, which would require the engraving and the form then. Correct?
yeah, welded or pinned.
correct... if you dont want your info engraved on the gun, buy one from someone who has a manu license... i think its an SOT? or something like that. then just their info is on it.