I got my size 30, black New Standards today. I tried them on, and I could just barely get them buttoned. I imagine it would be a physical impossibility to get a pair of 29's buttoned - thats how tight these things are. They are pretty uncomfortable. I want them to still be pretty tight once stretched out and broken in. Not emo-status, Levi's-510-tight, but still pretty tight. I know APC's stretch a lot, and youre supposed to size down 2 sizes, but I think I may have sized down too much. For comparison, I have a pair of size 32 Corpus slim fits (Im pretty sure they are raw) that fit pretty much the way I want, but even these are a tad tighter in the waist than I would prefer, although Ive only worn them 3 times. I dont know how Corpus fits in comparison to APC. Do you think I should just swap the APC's for a 31 or 32, or will they stretch out enough to be comfortable?