GUN So how do you feel about the whole Dan Cooper situation?

[HisXLNC]

Voted out of his own company for supporting Obama.

http://www.cooperfirearms.com/

Personally, I don't feel sorry for him. He was voting wallet before principles and it bit him in the ass.

 

[s2k]

cliff?

 

[HisXLNC]

cliff?

Dan Cooper (co-founder) donates money to Obama campaign. Claims that he did it to help Hillary win the primaries. Word gets out on all the different gun blogs. People e-mail the company threatening to boycott their products. Board meets and decides to ask Cooper to resign.

Regarding the USA Today Article. Cooper Firearms of Montana, Inc. did not contribute and does not support in any fashion the campaign of Senator Obama.

Nine months ago Dan Cooper (personally) made an online donation to the campaign in an effort to help defeat Hillary Clinton and in protest of American plant closures and the shipping of jobs overseas. Three months ago he made yet another donation to the McCain campaign and the RNC totaling over twice that given to Obama campaign.

There is no doubt that the article in USA Today has caused a considerable response. To this end we are encouraged and stand with our fellow NRA members and supporters of the Second Amendment and against those who oppose it.

Cooper's reasoning:

Cooper changed sides, he said, "probably because of the war. And also because the Republican Party has moved so far right in recent years."

He also likes Obama's message about "the retooling of America, which involves the building of middle-class jobs and helping American small business be competitive with those overseas."

 

[Joe_Cool]

Sturm, Ruger & Co should have done the same thing when Bill Ruger sold his soul to Clinton.

 

[s2k]

i think its rediculous how hardcore pro-gun folks only worries about their "rights to bear arms" and nothing else regarding the presidential candidates

there are more important issues to address than just guns you know

i'll probably get flame for this

 

[Joe_Cool]

i think its rediculous how hardcore pro-gun folks only worries about their "rights to bear arms" and nothing else regarding the presidential candidates

there are more important issues to address than just guns you know

i'll probably get flame for this

There are other issues. I'm not sure they're more important. Any candidate who intends to disarm the people can't be trusted, no matter what else he says, and disarmament is a necessary step before oppression.

You were aware that the actual fighting in the American Revolution started over gun control, weren't you?

 

[s2k]

There are other issues. I'm not sure they're more important. Any candidate who intends to disarm the people can't be trusted, no matter what else he says, and disarmament is a necessary step before oppression.

You were aware that the actual fighting in the American Revolution started over gun control, weren't you?

common man, this is 2008, not 1775.....you can't honestly use that as your argument.....we are in a different time frame different situation than 1775

 

[Joe_Cool]

common man, this is 2008, not 1775.....you can't honestly use that as your argument.....we are in a different time frame different situation than 1775

So because it's a couple centuries later, that means I should trust the government to take care of me, and give up my rights?

Fuck it, might as well give up your freedom of speech, too. This isn't 1775, after all.


PS You have a lot of nerve calling me common.

 

[s2k]

So because it's a couple centuries later, that means I should trust the government to take care of me, and give up my rights?

Fuck it, might as well give up your freedom of speech, too. This isn't 1775, after all.


PS You have a lot of nerve calling me common.

thats exactly my point, you are not looking at the big picture, you are only worrying about your rights to bear arm and NOTHING ELSE that is happening within our society

edit: common joe_cool, who the fuck are you?

 

[Joe_Cool]

thats exactly my point, you are not looking at the big picture, you are only worrying about your rights to bear arm and NOTHING ELSE that is happening within our society

Really? That's fucking amazing, I didn't know you were psychic. Tell me more about what I'm thinking!

edit: common joe_cool, who the fuck are you?

Somebody who knows the difference between "come on" and "common".

 

[Joe_Cool]

If there were a concentrated, organized movement to strip me of my right to freedom of speech and religion, you'd better believe I'd be as vocal defending that as I am my right to keep and bear arms.

You fight to keep what's being stolen from you, retard.
And if you have a problem with people discussing gun rights, maybe you should click out of the GUN SUBFORUM.

 

[s2k]

 

[Joe_Cool]

My thoughts exactly.

 

[s2k]

If there were a concentrated, organized movement to strip me of my right to freedom of speech and religion, you'd better believe I'd be as vocal defending that as I am my right to keep and bear arms.

You fight to keep what's being stolen from you, retard.
And if you have a problem with people discussing gun rights, maybe you should click out of the GUN SUBFORUM.

i have nothing against gun rights, i support gun rights, i like my guns, i think every mentally stable law abiding citizens should have the rights to arm themselves

but, to be honest, imo that rights will not go away anytime soon even if we have a democrat in the whitehouse

the issue that we should be worrying about is how the next dude in the white house will handle our current financial crisis, our national security crisis, our oil dependency crisis, and probably some other ones that, imo, are more important to us, as americans, than the issue of if we can own 30 rounds magazine in our ar15....and yes, i would like to be able to keep on buying 30 rounds mags

 

[Joe_Cool]

i have nothing against gun rights, i support gun rights, i like my guns, i think every law abiding citizen should have the rights to arm themselves

but, to be honest, imo that rights will not go away anytime soon even if we have a democrat in the whitehouse

OH. So you're one of those guys who think as long as there's SOMETHING that's not banned, the 2nd Amendment is satisfied? You don't care if there's a new, stronger, broader assault weapon ban, because fuck it, you already got what you need? Nice.

the issue that we should be worrying about is how the next dude in the white house will handle our current financial crisis, our national security crisis, our oil dependency crisis, and probably some other ones that, imo, are more important to us, as americans, than if we can have 30 rounds magazine in our ar15....and yes, i would like to keep on buying 30 rounds mags

Next time I need you to tell me what I should think and how I should prioritize my positions, I'll be sure to ask.

In the meantime, however, I think the fact that we have a potential president and majority in both houses of congress that wants to disarm us is of paramount importance.

 

[s2k]

OH. So you're one of those guys who think as long as there's SOMETHING that's not banned, the 2nd Amendment is satisfied? You don't care if there's a new, stronger, broader assault weapon ban, because fuck it, you already got what you need? Nice.


Next time I need you to tell me what I should think and how I should prioritize my positions, I'll be sure to ask.

no, i'm one of those guys who think the 2nd ammendment issue is important, but not our #1 priority AT THIS POINT IN TIME and regarding the presidential candidates

you can prioritize your positions any way you want, i'm just pointing out what i think is your flaws, that's what debates/discussions are for

 

[Joe_Cool]

no, i'm one of those guys who think the 2nd ammendment issue is important, but not our #1 priority AT THIS POINT IN TIME

The Constitution is ALWAYS our #1 priority AT EVERY POINT IN TIME.

you can prioritize your positions any way you want, i'm just pointing out your flaws, that's what debates/discussions are for

I love it. Not agreeing with you = flaws.

 

[s2k]

I love it. Not agreeing with you = flaws.

if i don't think its a flaw, i wouldn't be arguing

you probably think my perspectives are flaw too, its ok, i understands both sides of the story

 

[Joe_Cool]

if i don't think its a flaw, i wouldn't be arguing

One of us is concerned with upholding the Constitution, and the other is worried about money.

One of us is flawed, but I don't think it is who you think it is.

 

[s2k]

The Constitution is ALWAYS our #1 priority AT EVERY POINT IN TIME.

can your rights to bear arm solves any of our current crisis?

 

[Joe_Cool]

can your rights to bear arm solves any of our current crisis?

Can stripping me of my constitutional rights solve any of our current problems?

 

[s2k]

One of us is concerned with upholding the Constitution, and the other is worried about money.

One of us is flawed, but I don't think it is who you think it is.

when everything goes to shit, the constituation is not gonna matter

i'd like to think that will never happen

 

[Joe_Cool]

I'm sorry the Constitution isn't practical and expedient enough for you. Unfortunately, it's also the supreme law of the land, and the only thing standing between you and tyranny. Shit on it at your own peril.

 

[Joe_Cool]

when everything goes to shit, the constituation is not gonna matter

Perhaps not. But firepower will. For a guy who's worried about "when everything goes to shit", you're sure unconcerned about forfeiting the one thing that will make a difference.

 

[s2k]

Can stripping me of my constitutional rights solve any of our current problems?

your rights are not going to be stripped anytime soon, not in our lifetime