A warning in case someone is as dumb as my brother in law. Just got off the phone with my sister, her husband (who ive wrote on here about before when he was physically abusing my 4 year old newphew) Hopefully nobody on here makes these kind of bad decisions, but just in case, heres what can happen when you exhibit bad judgement. My brother in law and his dad decided to go shooting down in their field (he lives in mendocino on some land, they have a small shooting range below their house) My 4 year old nephew went with them to watch. At some point my brother in law decided to let his 4 year old son shoot the 20 gauge shotgun. (with dad helping of course)..You can probably guess what happens next, the gun goes off, the hammer on the shotgun comes back and goes right through the childs eye. He just got out of surgery yesterday, they may have to take him to San Fran childrens hospital and sedate him again to look at how the surgery went. In the mean time, the child cant run, jump or play for 3 months. in other words, he has to stay still. They have no idea if he will ever regain vision out of his eye again. So, besides the fact that the ramifications from his bad descision making is more anti gun material for the anti's, the bigger picture is that this 4 year old child may never see again from one of his eyes due to SERIOUSLY bad judgement on his dads part. Hopefully there is a huge lesson to be learned here, im sure there are alot of calgunners with children, but use some common sense and make sure your child is old enough to handle a firearm before you put it in his hands, whether your helping him hold the gun or not. Personally, my son is 6, and he has yet to even shoot a bb gun. Maybe in the next year or two I will supervise him and let him shoot a .22, but I hope nobody thinks its okay for a 4year old to be shooting ANY firearm. And in case your wondering, yes, I called my brother in law up and chewed his *** from here to next sunday. I asked him if maybe next week he was going to make more bad decisions and take his kid scuba diving. I know he didnt mean to hurt his kid, but what kind of person would think that it would be okay to let a 4 year old shoot a 20 ga shotgun? And whats ever worse, is why didnt my brother in laws dad, who was there, tell him that it would be a stupid idea to let the kid shoot the shotgun? Does anybody still have common sense in the world? http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=202124 _________________________ Safety glasses no matter what you're shooting.