Over the last week, I think I've read every thread on the topic in F&N. I went to Walgreens last night just to grab some caffeine (I take a 200 mg capsule twice daily for energy), and while I was there, I looked for the Bronkaid and picked some up. My twice-daily supplement stack looks like this: Ester-C (1,000 mg) Fish Oil (2 capsules) Caffeine (200 mg) Green Tea Extract (250 mg?) L-Carnitine (500 mg) L-Arginine (500 mg) Men's Multi-V (Vitamin Shoppe) Before the gym last night at 8 pm, I ate dinner (500 calories, 23g fat, 22g carbs, 44g protein) and took those supplements plus one tab of Bronkaid (25 mg E). I have a pretty good tolerance to caffeine since I already take around 400 mg daily and also drink 2-3 diet sodas throughout the day, but I felt very energized at the gym. Not sure if it was just the placebo effect, but I felt great. Kept my workout much more intense than normal. I've decided to start doing weighted ab workouts before each workout as I know my abs need work regardless of how lean I may get. If I don't do them first, I'll be too tired and skip them at the end of my workout. I typically workout 6 days a week with the rotation being Chest/Biceps, Back/Triceps, Shoulders/Legs then repeat. In experimenting with various workouts, I've found this to be most effective in gaining strength and size. I also started taking 5 mg of creatine mono with 16 oz of Gatorade about a week ago after my workouts. Can't really tell if it does anything, but it can't hurt I suppose. I followed the instructions to a "T" when taking CellTech Hardcore for about 6 weeks and noticed no difference. I was given two sealed subs of this Biotech German Creatine by a friend, so I figured I'd give it a try again. While taking CellTech I was only lifting 4 days/week instead of the 6 days/week I do now, so it won't be a true A/B comparison, oh well. I've been doing no cardio at all, but after doing quite a bit of reading, I've decided to do at least 10 minutes of hard interval training in the morning on an empty stomach after taking the CY. I started with only 2.5 mg of Y this morning around 8 am and didn't really notice it at all. My heart rate stayed a bit more elevated than normal it seems, but no sickness or anything, so I'll up it to 5 mg tomorrow morning with cardio. I'm going to do EC (25/200 mg) around 12:30 with lunch and depending on how I feel around 5-6 pm, I may take another dosage. Going to a Disturbed/Slipknot concert tonight, so it might be fun to have a bit more energy. Anyways, here's a picture of what I looked like this morning with my shitty camera phone. It's kinda ironic that FusionZ06 (bro) has a D300 with a phenomenal lense, yet I take pictures using POS Treo. I took measurements as well to help assess the progress. I'm basically hoping to maintain/gain strength/size while leaning out my midsection and trying to develop some abs in the process. I'll take another picture at the end of August to compare.