Ok guys, I got into it with a "professional detailer" on another forum. Now, he does good work, provided his pics aren't chopped, but I had one big problem with his attitude. According to this jackhole, "Good professional detailers only use 3M products". When I asked him about Optimum, Menzerna, and Zaino, he basically said that people who use those aren't true pros. He also insists that you can, using polish mind you, burn paint with a PC or UDM, and also damage you paint severely by polishing by hand. So with that I will leave you the link, and please, one of you detailing gods, please post some pics, tell this jackhole what products you use, and shut him up. You may get banned, but hell, you'll probably never visit this forum again anyways, and I'd love to destroy a little bit of his credibility for being such a tool. So, here you go! I'm not gonna post in there anymore because my main screenname was banned until May, my second one was banned for life, and I just made a third one and am gonna lay low for a while. So anyways, here's the link to the thread. Feel free to join and blast away. http://www.clubfrontier.org/forums/f25/need-advice-polishing-27540/ edit: The guys name is cctmobiledetail. Total tool.