Went down to the pontiac dealer to take a look at the 04s and finally test drive one. They had about 7 on the lot (good sign for final december clearance) 5 manuals and 2 autos. Anyways, to get to the good stuff. The cars do look good. Yes, i can't get over the whole grand am thing, but its really not that bad. the back is definitely ok, but the front is kinda shitty. The autocross grills and a nice lip will definitely help a lot, but the monaro front is infinitely better the interior is REALLY where its at. it definitely feels like an expensive car inside. Aside from a few cheap pontiac bits that made it in, i like it almost as much as the e46 m3 i drove a few days ago. Black exterior + red leather = killer. Oh and the seats are fucking awesome. And the fact that its pretty loaded with the power seats, cd changer, steering stereo controls, etc. the drive: the car definitely has fucking torque. LOTS of it. TONS of it. really docile and civilized when you are tooling around in traffic, but just hit it and it goes like a rocket. amazingly it feels as fast as a c5 or an m3, although i know that its not. but definitely a car that can be driven daily, provide a comfy and luxurious ride, and be a beast when you step on it. Oh and i wanted to testdrive a stang, but the only GT the local dealer had was on the showroom floor This is going to be a LOT tougher than i thought..