The OFFICIAL Star Trek: Picard thread (The Final Season coming February 16, 2023).

[baboymo]

 

[Twinsen]

he gets a lot of hate for his politics, and he lets it spill into his reviews. A lot of people don't like it. But objectively they are 100% correct imo

I just listened to Critical Drinker's take on it on the way in to work. I just really want to see what all these people are seeing in the next 5 episodes. I know there's more cameos that they haven't revealed. But your guy brought up a good point, I hope they don't bring in somebody like Barkley and then just kill him. That's literally what they did with anyone else they brought in the last two season other than 7.

 

[stevezissou]

Was wondering why they didn't have this at the end of Episode 1

 

[the_antsy_honda]

I just listened to Critical Drinker's take on it on the way in to work. I just really want to see what all these people are seeing in the next 5 episodes. I know there's more cameos that they haven't revealed. But your guy brought up a good point, I hope they don't bring in somebody like Barkley and then just kill him. That's literally what they did with anyone else they brought in the last two season other than 7.

Feels like they just held the reunion hostage until S3 to keep viewership

 

[Valence]

I just wish we could fast forward to where its supposed to be amazingly good. Because the first episode definitely wasn't it.

"Computer, divert all power to the Warp Core!"

"You want to divert power back to the power source? Does not compute, please retry request."

Just one of many nitpicks, but @the_antsy_honda that Pump Action Shotgun Phaser Rifle was VERY stupid, AND when I re-watched the scene, I initially missed the part where the gun yells outloud for all to hear when you're out of "ammo".

that's not how they work. Fusion generators power the ship. It's also a great way to generate anti matter, which they need in the warp core, which is a much more powerful matter / antimatter reaction the warp drive needs to bend space time.

 

[Valence]

Agreed on all notes, just that to Point 1, I hope they chill with the "I'm too old for this shit" moments, like they did it one too many times.

To point 3. Yeah this was nice, but then they continued to rag on her for how she got her nickname. They (the Director/Writer) could have at least let her retort with an simple comment like, "Okay yeah, that happened, but I ended graduating the top of my class after those mistakes and I am fit to be the Navigator of these fine vessell." But nah, they just kinda left it open to the rest of the crew to be like, ah shit we got a shitty Navigator.

pilots typically don't get to choose their callsign. Some notorious call signs follow a pilot from ship to ship, posting to posting.

 

[Twinsen]

that's not how they work. Fusion generators power the ship. It's also a great way to generate anti matter, which they need in the warp core, which is a much more powerful matter / antimatter reaction the warp drive needs to bend space time.

Umm...what? The Warp Core IS the power source.

Everything else comes from auxiliary power stores.

 

[Twinsen]

pilots typically don't get to choose their callsign. Some notorious call signs follow a pilot from ship to ship, posting to posting.

That was her nickname in the academy though. It's fine that they ragged on her a little, but they could have had her defend herself is all I'm saying.

 

[Valence]

Umm...what? The Warp Core IS the power source.

Everything else comes from auxiliary power stores.

negative. They use fusion reactors that energize plasma which is then circulated thru the ship. The warp core is typically only for warp drive. The fusion generators run on deuterium which, the exhaust gas is then used for propulsion (impulse engines)

 

[Cyan Connect]

sure but the rank & command structure is organized fairly similar. Where is @Cyan Connect when you need him?

Star Trek's Starfleet ranks are the same as U.S. Navy ranks.

Gene Roddenberry served in the U.S. Army Air Corps in the Pacific during World War II and there were a lot of Navy personnel in the Pacific Campaign.

 

[pepsi]

finally watched episode 1, i enjoyed it, i ain't gonna waste time on critic videos. maybe the odd easter egg video. but i'm not gonna get burnt out of shape by some critic shit.
it's not too dark from my perspective, i can see everything so far on my monitor. if iwas actually a crew member. i'd probably complain about everything being dark and tripping everywhere i walk.
but how you gonna see out the window if it's so bright inside

 

[Twinsen]

finally watched episode 1, i enjoyed it, i ain't gonna waste time on critic videos. maybe the odd easter egg video. but i'm not gonna get burnt out of shape by some critic shit.
it's not too dark from my perspective, i can see everything so far on my monitor. if iwas actually a crew member. i'd probably complain about everything being dark and tripping everywhere i walk.
but how you gonna see out the window if it's so bright inside

Worked fine for The Orville.

 

[the_antsy_honda]

negative. They use fusion reactors that energize plasma which is then circulated thru the ship. The warp core is typically only for warp drive. The fusion generators run on deuterium which, the exhaust gas is then used for propulsion (impulse engines)

I think the problem is that they could have used any number of vocabulary to convey the situation, and they chose the lamest ones possible.

Beverly says, "Elios, activate warp drive!"

And then the computer says, "Warp drive charging. Attempting to power up."

The problem isn't that technology, it's the way they present it.

A star trek nerd would presume in the scenario that the shit was rigged for silent running, low power to avoid detection. This probably could explain why the warp drive was offline. We know from previous shows that if the warp drive is reset, it takes a while for the drive to come back online. There's been several episodes where this has happened.

Anyway, with no outside influence, a typical start trek writer looking at how this issue has been addressed in previous shows would just have done something like,

"Computer, bring the warp drive back online"

And the computer would say something like, "acknowledged, warp drive initializing"

And the audience would know what that means.

But they wrote it like she was charging her iphone after it was drained totally dead instead.

Stuff like that. Simple words that just break immersion. Small things for sure, but overall conveys the sentiment the writers never watched star trek before.

 

[hypntyz]

I think the problem is that they could have used any number of vocabulary to convey the situation, and they chose the lamest ones possible.

Beverly says, "Elios, activate warp drive!"

And then the computer says, "Warp drive charging. Attempting to power up."

The problem isn't that technology, it's the way they present it.

A star trek nerd would presume in the scenario that the shit was rigged for silent running, low power to avoid detection. This probably could explain why the warp drive was offline. We know from previous shows that if the warp drive is reset, it takes a while for the drive to come back online. There's been several episodes where this has happened.

Anyway, with no outside influence, a typical start trek writer looking at how this issue has been addressed in previous shows would just have done something like,

"Computer, bring the warp drive back online"

And the computer would say something like, "acknowledged, warp drive initializing"

And the audience would know what that means.

But they wrote it like she was charging her iphone after it was drained totally dead instead.

Stuff like that. Simple words that just break immersion. Small things for sure, but overall conveys the sentiment the writers never watched star trek before.

I remember one of the biggest complaints about 90s era trek was "technobabble", and I think the modern writers and producers have followed some sort of directive requiring little to no technobabble for new watchers who never got into old trek...so this is what you get. "Hur dur ship motor no workie yet"

 

[[DWI]]

finally watched episode 1, i enjoyed it, i ain't gonna waste time on critic videos. maybe the odd easter egg video. but i'm not gonna get burnt out of shape by some critic shit.
it's not too dark from my perspective, i can see everything so far on my monitor. if iwas actually a crew member. i'd probably complain about everything being dark and tripping everywhere i walk.
but how you gonna see out the window if it's so bright inside

the critic videos aren't worth it, some are longer than the episode. It seems episode one was crammed with easter eggs, I probably missed 90% but I am not going to pause it and look at every display either.

I hope the speculation that the baddies turn out to be the season 1 brain beetles turns out to be wrong.

 

[the_antsy_honda]

I remember one of the biggest complaints about 90s era trek was "technobabble", and I think the modern writers and producers have followed some sort of directive requiring little to no technobabble for new watchers who never got into old trek...so this is what you get. "Hur dur ship motor no workie yet"

Yeah, I get that, but you can convey it with pretty simple terms that don't seem silly.

The words "bring it back online" says the same thing but also implies it was offline intentionally.

Everyone knows what initializing means, and sounds a lot more in-universe than "charging warp drive."

I get they wanted to use "attempting" to imply that it could fail, which is a fine...but I'm not sold that the chance of failure was needed on top of the time element of initializing to show a danger element.

 

[the_antsy_honda]

the critic videos aren't worth it, some are longer than the episode. It seems episode one was crammed with easter eggs, I probably missed 90% but I am not going to pause it and look at every display either.

I hope the speculation that the baddies turn out to be the season 1 brain beetles turns out to be wrong.

One of those hour long critic videos makes a good point though.

Easter eggs stop being Easter eggs when you are spoon fed (and by that I mean rammed down your throat). You're supposed to have to find Easter eggs. If they are just front and center they are just cheap member-berries.

 

[pepsi]

the critic videos aren't worth it, some are longer than the episode. It seems episode one was crammed with easter eggs, I probably missed 90% but I am not going to pause it and look at every display either.

I hope the speculation that the baddies turn out to be the season 1 brain beetles turns out to be wrong.

I thought the baddies might have been related Nemesis

 

[Twinsen]

the critic videos aren't worth it, some are longer than the episode. It seems episode one was crammed with easter eggs, I probably missed 90% but I am not going to pause it and look at every display either.

I hope the speculation that the baddies turn out to be the season 1 brain beetles turns out to be wrong.

I enjoy watching some critic videos, mainly Angry Joe, Red Letter Media, and there's 2 small-time Youtubers I like. They're wildly entertaining whether the show is good or not. But I'm kinda biased, I've been watching RLM/Angry Joe for over a decade.

 

[Twinsen]

I thought the baddies might have been related Nemesis

They're just upset that The Borg are now a part of the Federation and The Birdmen weren't invited to the party.

 

[the_antsy_honda]

I also hope they have a real good reason why Beverly cut everyone off for 20 years. Just having a kid is a really shitty reason especially coming from the Enterprise D's resident everyone's mom. I can't for the life of me think of a reason she would do that to everyone she cared about. It had better be a really good reason. Like end of the universe reason. Even if it was just to keep danger away from them, she wouldn't have taken 20 years to solve it. And I don't think the crew would have given up looking for her. Especially Picard.

 

[[DWI]]

One of those hour long critic videos makes a good point though.

Easter eggs stop being Easter eggs when you are spoon fed (and by that I mean rammed down your throat). You're supposed to have to find Easter eggs. If they are just front and center they are just cheap member-berries.

Oh they do, but at this point in my life I've got stuff to do. I'll sneak in an episode and that's about all the time I can dedicate.

I'm not complaining about the really buried easter eggs; I'll catch some of the "the keen eyed among us might have noticed", but I am going to miss 100% of on the screen for a fraction of a second a blurry... just not going to pause and take the time to squint. That's if I'm not relegated to watching on a tablet or worse a phone during down time at work.

 

[Twinsen]

I honestly don't see anything being believable but for whatever reason the most critical YouTubers seem to think so.

 

[pepsi]

Spoiler

well, just seems like Beverly's son is gonna be her husband's clone or something. Cause even she's disappointed with Wesley. But then she used genesis to make it happen. They the baddies are either a clone sister of Shinzhon or possibly his mother/surrogate. Who wants revenge. Moriarty involvement is because of the clone tech. He wants to be a real boy

 

[the_antsy_honda]

Spoiler

well, just seems like Beverly's son is gonna be her husband's clone or something. Cause even she's disappointed with Wesley. But then she used genesis to make it happen. They the baddies are either a clone sister of Shinzhon or possibly his mother/surrogate. Who wants revenge. Moriarty involvement is because of the clone tech. He wants to be a real boy

That sounds too stupid to NOT be true for this writing room