Discussion in 'On Topic' started by DrewDown, Oct 27, 2009.
Kinda of a long read but worth it IMO
Definitely a good read.
Good read. I put it forth that the majority of those hunters he's talking about are the guys like the ones at my local range who give you odd looks when you pull out your AR, yet they're the ones shooting 5" groups off of sandbags at 100 yards with their beat to shit old "hunting rifles." Those guys are often real quick to give shitty advice to anyone dumb enough to listen, and don't have any problem getting on their high horse about anything, much less black rifles.
i have never encountered anyone like that
Come up here and we'll go to the range in the afternoon. It's pretty funny when I show up with my 10/22 and easily outshoot everyone there.
then i'll bust out my AR15 and be like "AND i'm from california" when they start to glare.
I am all to familiar with these types.
divide and conquer, the anti's win when they convince the gun owners to hate other segments of gun owners.
i don't have any evil balck rifles and always just hunted with bolt action rifles and of course shotguns for deer and birds in iowa.
that being said i certainly don't think that evil black semi auto rifles should be banned and don't know any one who thinks that way. hell my dad is almost 70 years old and a life long hunter and though he doesn't own an evil black rifle i have seen him eye ar's at the gun shop when i go with him, i'm sure even he (an old timer and very traditional old school guy) would buy 1 if my mom wouldn't get pissed off with him adding yet another expensive gun to his collection lol.
shoot what you like to shoot, and support gun rights for all law abiding citizens, it's the only way we'll be able to protect our 2nd amendment rights
That's were a cool damp afternoon and a 45-120 sharps comes in nicely. Or even an 1861 Springfield.
I don't have a problem with obscure and interesting old stuff either, it's the guys with the beat to shit rifles who can't shoot that bother me.
I think the argument is redundant. Is mostly comes back to what you like to shoot more, capacity preferences, aesthetics and application.
Hunting - use a bolt. Closed chamber and typically longer barrel equals better accuracy/velocity. For hunting, you don't need a higher capacity weapon. If you miss, USUALLY every shot thereafter is in frustration.
Preparing for SHTF - get a fucking AR and Saiga-12 and call it a day. Capacity up to 100 (Beta mags), faster reloading, better ergonomics for a shtf situation.
I hate hearing old fucks flaming on ARs because they have their old musket shoved so far up their ass. I also cant stand hearing people bashing bolts/etc because the are sucking on the AR cock.
Bottom line - shoot what you like best and just keep negative opinions to one's self.
its not even about trying to force what you think is best on someone else.
its a group of people within the firearm world who think whatever they dont use is worthless.
I've encountered this at local gunshows. There will be tables of C&R guys selling older collector stuff, and they'll gripe and moan about the tables of AR's and AK's covered in tactical crap, and how they're somehow less than sportsmen or collectors. I'm a collector (the only semi-auto I own is a Remington Model 11 from the 20's), but I disagree with them every time.
More than anything that is probably because of the range you go to.
Partially relevant soybomb story:
In the small town I grew up there's a barber shop/gun shop. When I was a kid both the barber and his father cut hair and sold guns. My grandfather got his haircut there, my dad had his hair cut there, and naturally I did too. Eventually I moved off to college and started getting my hair cut by people who weren't half drunk by the time I came in on saturday afternoon. (hey straight sideburns, cool). Anyway sometime post college I'd decided to buy my first handgun and went to see if he'd do the transfer for me. He asked "what do you need a handgun for?"
The number of gun owners that really are hardcore 2nd amendment supporters is a small number. Just look at the number of fucksticks that will talk about training and testing for concealed carry or documentation for private gun sales.
this likely true statement is as unfortunate as it is nauseating.
Fudds can kiss my ass, lol.
Good read. Sad when fellow gun owners ignore their own and other's rights just because the gun looks different.
The November issue of American Rifleman has an article about how AR style rifles are the largest growing sector in hunting arms. Lists a bunch of benefits, etc.
I know, I read it. Tell that to the guys at the range.
that article makes me want to build a .458 socom or .50 beowolf AR