Thoughts on charging for the Covid vaccine?

GBlansten

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Why would people take monetary risks and work their assess off for free? Should our phones and cars be free? I'm in favor of mechanisms for most of us to pay via insurance some cost for the vaccine and for poor people to receive the vaccine subsidized at no cost to them but overall we should pay for the vaccine as a society.
 
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Why would people take monetary risks and work their assess off for free? Should our phones and cars be free? I'm in favor of mechanisms for most of us to pay via insurance some cost for the vaccine and for poor people to receive the vaccine subsidized at no cost to them but overall we should pay for the vaccine as a society.
Meh

I pay enough taxes, I'd like the occasional freebie.

I'm simply suggesting that since everyone hates pharma, maybe one of these dudes should hand that shit out for free and give themselves a good name for a little while
 

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Ok so Pfizer got 2 billion for Covid vaccine. Looks like us didn't give any to Maderna..so Maderna charging for it I don't see an issue.

If Pfizer tries to charge then that would be a problem
 

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Meh

I pay enough taxes, I'd like the occasional freebie.

I'm simply suggesting that since everyone hates pharma, maybe one of these dudes should hand that shit out for free and give themselves a good name for a little while
Good marketing is good for the the future of a company

Spending tens of billions of dollars on research n development n testing n manufacturing n distribution and then giving it away for free is not so good for the books iirc
 
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Covid has been the most calamitous society-disrupting event since WWII. Literally every living person benefits from it being eradicated. Putting a price on the vaccine is simply one more obstacle nobody needs. Having it be free (read: entirely gov't subsidized) is a no-brainer.
 

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Why would people take monetary risks and work their assess off for free? Should our phones and cars be free? I'm in favor of mechanisms for most of us to pay via insurance some cost for the vaccine and for poor people to receive the vaccine subsidized at no cost to them but overall we should pay for the vaccine as a society.
oh yay.

healthcare should be taxpayer funded. no health anything should be for profit.
 

GBlansten

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oh yay.

healthcare should be taxpayer funded. no health anything should be for profit.

That model would not likely deliver quality products for any other industry. Would you want a nonprofit model for your next phone? If you look at the universal healthcare models for countries in Europe the one that works the best is Switzerland where they have only private insurance and the poor get subsidized care.
 
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That model would not likely deliver quality products for any other industry. Would you want a nonprofit model for your next phone? If you look at the universal healthcare models for countries in Europe the one that works the best is Switzerland where they have only private insurance and the poor get subsidized care.

Govt funded research and dev for the IP. private industry manufacturing and distro at fixed profit margins. the end.

I do agree a model that could work is teh swiss/aussie model. of basic health care for all and private on top for better care. I'd be ok with that honestly. I dont want ER visits causing people to go bankrupt. but if you're worth 50b maybe you get better doctors than bob the plumber. its a balanced solution to stepping stone us to mars healthcare.
 
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R&D is crazy expensive and these are for profit businesses so of course they should charge. The government should foot the bill for citizens if they want compliance tho.
 

GBlansten

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Govt funded research and dev for the IP. private industry manufacturing and distro at fixed profit margins. the end.

I do agree a model that could work is teh swiss/aussie model. of basic health care for all and private on top for better care. I'd be ok with that honestly. I dont want ER visits causing people to go bankrupt. but if you're worth 50b maybe you get better doctors than bob the plumber. its a balanced solution to stepping stone us to mars healthcare.
The way to move forward right now is value based healthcare with the emphasis on population management. That might deliver both incentives for great care and reduced costs.
 

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The way to move forward right now is value based healthcare with the emphasis on population management. That might deliver both incentives for great care and reduced costs.

Value based. not shareholder based. I agree.

population management... you mean govt funded planned parenthood?
 

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