I've been hearing a lot around the internet (also, some of my friends) that I can easily save $40-$50 if I went w/ S100 or P21S instead of Souveran because its the same product, just different labels. Also, they said that the maker of P21S is the same guy who made Pinnacle Souveran. I don't know if anyone here has heard these rumors before, but I wanted to find out the real deal. So recently, I decided to send emails out to P21S and Pinnacle about these rumors. Basically, I asked both companies about the P21S/S100 product vs. the Pinnacle Souveran product. Asked them if they were the same product, different label, different color, different odor. This is what I got back.... Response from Pinnacle: Response from P21S: Call it denial about buying a $70 jar of wax or truth that it does out perform P21S/S100 enough to offset the hit to the wallet, but I'm very happy w/ my Pinnacle after using P21S/S100 this entire summer on my cars.