A year ago I wouldn't have admitted this. Right now I'm living in a somewhat rural area about 90 minutes outside of Chicago (part of the reason I have such a long ass commute every day). When I go out, even to the grocery store, I regularly see HB7 and 8s (8 is about as hot as they get here) on the arms of guys that I would not consider attractive. I mean dudes who go out in public in wifebeaters, have tattoos all over their arms/shoulders, look like they haven't showered in a few days, crooked teeth, and can't speak proper English. Everything they do reeks of tackiness and/or trashiness, yet somehow they pull decent women who seem to be a few levels above them in looks, class, and socioeconomic status. These chicks are well dressed, usually have nice, tight figures, white teeth, proper makeup, and nice hair. I see this often enough that it cannot be random. A year ago this would have boggled my mind beyond comprehension. Well, to be honest, it still kinda does, but I'm beginning to understand why this happens and therefore accept it. I have also added a new rating scale by which I just male/women, which I think I got the idea for from on of Yail's posts... a masculinity/femininity scale. This scale goes along side the "physical attractiveness" scale. This idea hit me when I saw a chick who wasn't terribly physically attractive (she was a 6.5 or 7), but something about her gave off extremely feminine vibes and I realized I was very attracted to her altho at first I couldn't explain why. Usually, when it's physical attraction, I can explain exactly why I'm attracted to someone. So I applied this idea to men, too. I toyed around with the idea that chicks could (subconsciously) rank a guy on a manliness scale, which is attractive to them. So a guy could be a 5 physically (not that chicks care about looks, anyway, but you know what I mean), but if he displays extremely masculine traits, he would be very attractive to her. So I can only assume that this is what's happening when I see these classy-looking chicks with trashy-looking guys. Apparently whatever they're doing is spiking their masculinity ratings and therefore attracting hot chicks. It surely can't be anything physically that they're doing. They're not rich so it's not that. They don't have nice cars so it's not that (unless huge, rusty, falling apart pickup trucks with no exhaust are masculine). They're not well-educated or well-spoken so it's not that. It also reinforces my belief that I've been focusing on the wrong aspects of myself for years. All of the things I consider desirable and attractive do not significantly boost me on the "masculine" scale and therefore don't really increase girl's (initial) attraction to me. Of course, once they get to know me, I'm awesome. But not initially. I've tried to make myself look good, have white teeth, be educated, well-spoken, classy, cultured, financially competent and stable, etc., but those are all like sub-characteristics of a small portion of a woman's attraction values. If I just didn't give a shit and wore wifebeaters and drove a huge pickup I'd probably pull way more chicks. So now I'm at the inner-conflict stage. On the one hand, I really wouldn't want to touch a chick who has been fucked by some trashy dude because I automatically disqualify her for being attracted to someone of low value and who is physically kind of gross (I mean seriously, she had her tongue in his nasty butter-teeth mouth) (old Falconer thinking), but on the other hand, as much as I don't want to accept it, I understand why she would have been attracted to him because attraction is not a choice (new Falconer thinking) and that's just how things work. It's like, I'm starting to get why things work this way, but I still don't understand it. It's like I understand how gravity works, and I understand the effects of it, and I can predict what will happen based on the laws of gravity, but I couldn't explain it to you. I'm sure this post sounded bitter, but it wasn't meant to be. It was meant to be narrative and neutral in position.