Discussion in 'On Topic' started by selvo, Feb 24, 2004.
that thing rocks
it was a waste of money. $10 billion dollars would've bought a fuckton-assload of shit for people on the ground doing real work. programs like the V22, the F22, the commanche, and others, are just jobs programs. senators and house members like to vote for them because they make constituents happy, even if they're a complete waste of money. like the commanche. we don't need a deep attack helicopter. we don't need a helicopter to do loops and fly upside down, and other bullshit that airplanes are for. we already have two attack helicopters that work very well, the cobra and the apache.
that money could've retrofitted a lot of HMMV's with armor, or replaced a lot of M16's with M4's, or bought a lot of soldiers interceptors and sapi plates. for that money, we could up the salary of every single active service member by at least $1000.
The truth is that there isn't a helicopter or plane that can go head to head with our F16, F15 and Apache. Hell even most SAMs are outdated enough that they don't pose a serious threat. As of right now, and in the near future, there is no need for the F22 or Commanche. Now if we start getting into it with China......
I wonder what will happen to the OCC comanche bike then?
Well if they don't want it since the program was scrapped......I'll take it off their hands.
scrapped. the XM8 is being pushed for that reason. after all these years, and all that money, if they don't come up with SOMETHING, the people that pushed for the program in the first place will look like fools, and will be reluctant to ever fund such an undertaking again. so, in an effort to make the program look like it accomplished something, they popped out the XM8. and, depending on who you talk to, the new HK M4 and the LMT MRP may be vying for the new spot instead.
i wish the shrike would start shipping out, so people could tell us whether or not they work, and how available spare parts are.
that HKM4 is a real interesting development
unique approach ot the " reliability problems" in the AR
the shrike is an upper for an AR15/M16 lower. that's not really special in and of itself. what's special is that it's a belt-fed upper. so, if you own a registered lower, you can make yourself a SAW without actually buying a saw. they make a shrike in open-bolt and closed-bolt firing capability. but if you are mounting it on an M16, you want open bolt, because closed bolt machine guns are not safe. you can get cookoff, which could then cause a runaway machine gun. the only way to stop that is to break the belt by stomping on it really hard. or just let it run out of ammo.
anyways, the shrike is cool, but it's taken years to get it right. at this point, some people have been waiting a couple years for it, because the manufacturers presold some, but you had to put the money down up front, non-refundable. anyways, the shrike will be nice if it turns out to work right, and have parts readily available. because there are other belt-fed uppers out there, but you can't get parts for them, because the makers have since gone out of bidness.
if you look at the pictures, you can see that the gas system is on the bottom of the barrel. at the SHOT show, they had the current version, on which the gas tube is on the left side of the barrel.
that's the shrike these days.
so what does everyone think of the new HKM4?
maybe tha is a question deserving of its own thread...
this is as good as any for it. it looks good, but it's going to cost too much, like everything else HK. the fact that the columbus plant will be opening up here in the near future will still do nothing to lower prices.
also, the new LMT enhanced bolt and carrier pretty much eliminates the need for a piston-operated M4. KAC now makes a version of the bolt too.