Discussion in 'Fitness & Nutrition' started by Accord, Dec 23, 2005.
Pros and cons of each? Which one is better?
how about you search on google, or even this forum
Whey absorbs faster, casein takes longer to break down.
two different puposes. As cave says whey is a quicker absorption and ideal for post workout meals...casein is better for night time or when you're not going to get food in for a few hours 4+ hours....
apples & oranges homie.
casein is just as cheap as whey
Has anyone here ever tried straight Casein? My god I tried it with water the other night I about hurled 3times while drinking the stuff
And heres a good article for you
you really need to stop...
Nice link. I currently take EAS 100% Whey Protein (WPC) throughout the day and take a serving of EvoPro before sleep.
you really need to kill yourself
So basically, throughout the day I should use whey protein, but before I go to bed I should use casein?
How about egg white protein before I go to bed instead of casein? Does egg white protein have that long lasting effect like casein does?
Consume a whey protein drink shortly after a whole food meal.
By doing so, you will have created an environment very conductive to muscle growth. By consuming that whole food meal you will have suppressed the rate of muscle breakdown. Firstly, by starting a slow cascade of amino acids through your system.
Secondly, provided your meal had some kind of carbohydrates, you will have stimulated the release of insulin which in it self can slow the rate of muscle breakdown. 11,5,3,8,14
Insulin is also the hormone that governs protein synthesis rate. By elevating the release of insulin before the consumption of a whey protein drink, you have effectively set the stage for a serious anabolic reaction. 14,10,11 There is a slight delay from the time you digest carbohydrates and the time that insulin levels peak. Because of the fact that whey is absorbed so quickly, it is possible that the peaks between amino acids and insulin with not coincide resulting in a less than optimal response. 11,14
Once the whey protein has been completely assimilated, amino acid levels will drop. However, they will not return to normal, because the "Amino Acid Cascade" that you stared with the whole food meal is still streaming. It's a beautiful sight, isn't it? This little step has effectively stimulated protein synthesis as well as slowing protein breakdown.
Check out our whey protein recommendations here.
Consume casein based meal with in the next 3 hours.
That means before three hours has elapsed. Two hours would be an even safer bet. We want the levels of amino acids in our blood to drop a bit so we can create a dramatic increase again. The degree of protein synthesis is directly related to the degree of change in the levels of amino acids. By consuming a casein based meal here we will allow for that drop while keeping amino acid levels above normal. This keeps the rate of protein breakdown to a minimum. Do you feel the scales tipping yet?
Examples of good casein based protein products are Molecular Sustained Protein and Xtreme Formulations Ultra Peptide,
Repeat! That's all there is to it.
Alternate between a whole food meal with a whey protein chaser, and follow that up with a casein based meal. Now I know this sounds expensive so you can modify it. You may want to reduce the size of the whey protein drink. But remember, the degree of protein synthesis is dependant on the degree of the increase in the levels of amino acids in the blood. 2,5,11,20,15,13
So take caution when you are feeling cheap. It would not make sense to cut your servings and not have a very good response from it. You could also have just a whole food meal instead of a casein based one. You would essentially get the same effect.
However, many meal replacement products on the market today have a far better nutritional profile than anyone of us could every pull off in the kitchen. I highly recommend two a day, making sure to have one just prior to bed.
way too much thought on something simple...