Discussion in 'On Topic' started by BCIT, Dec 2, 2008.
Um, yeah. There was a photographer running around asking the cops to shoot the bad guys. The cops were hiding.
came in to post this
Just the government getting the hell out of the way of gun laws and allowing people to defend themselves would have been enough. Any gun free zones are open to massacres like that. If they could have gotten concealed carries or just guns period, it would have been a gun fight and not a slaughter.
anyone got a link full of facts and figures?
If a group of crazy hajis start spraying people down with a full auto ak fire and all i got is a concealed pistol im getting the fuck out of there.
a bunch of fucksticks are arguing otherwise.
Moshe Holtzberg, the 2-year-old orphan of the rabbi and his wife slain in the Mumbai Jewish center, cries during a memorial service at a synagogue in Mumbai, India, Monday, Dec. 1, 2008. Holtzberg will fly to Israel Monday on an Israeli Air Force jet with his parents' remains and the Indian woman who rescued him, an Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman said.
glock 19 vs. AK47
i'm running unless a gunman is IN MY FACE and i have no choice
Unless I'm cornered and I have to fight. Might as well get some rounds off.
fuck that noise.
A full auto AK is less accurate than a semi-auto clone. All you'd have to do is find cover, let him spray, then when he stops to reload, pop out and put a good well aimed shot in him.
To be fair, Ghandi was refering to the disarming of the Indian military, not civilians.
Yeah, you go ahead and do that. I'd get the fuck out of there because my semi-auto handgun is nowhere near the equivalent of a full-auto assault rifle in a gunfight.
Sadly that child will never really understand what happened to his parents until he is much older.
The 2-year-old orphan found drenched in the blood of his parents at the besieged Jewish center in Mumbai left India on Monday on an Israeli Air Force jet, accompanied by the Indian woman who rescued him.
Moshe Holtzberg's parents, Rabbi Gavriel Noach Holtzberg and his wife, Rivka, ran the headquarters of the ultra-Orthodox Chabad Lubavitch movement in Mumbai — one of 10 targets besieged by gunman over the 60-hour rampage.
During the attack Thursday, Sandra Samuel, a nanny who worked there for years, had locked herself in a laundry room when she heard Rivkah screaming for her to help. Then the screaming stopped, and it was quiet, said Robert Katz, a New York-based fund-raiser for an Israeli orphanage founded by the boy's family.
Samuel cracked open the door of her hiding place and saw a deserted staircase. She ran up one flight and saw the rabbi and his wife, covered in blood and shot to death. The child was crying beside his parents' bodies, his pants drenched in blood.
She snatched the boy, bolted down the stairs and out of the building.
"She's been there with him throughout," Katz said.
Six civilians were killed in the center — all of them Jewish and four of them Israeli, Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Andy David said. In all, more than 170 died in attacks on 10 targets across the Indian city.
Moshe was accompanied on the trip to Israel by his maternal grandparents, Yehudit and Shimon Rosenberg, who were reunited with their grandson when they arrived in Mumbai on Friday.
"It was pure raw emotion, tears of joy, tears of sorrow, incredible emotion, understandably out of control," said Katz.
Asked about Moshe's condition, he said: "I don't know that he can comprehend or that he will remember seeing his parents shot in cold blood."
Before the child's departure, dozens gathered at a synagogue in Mumbai for a memorial service for the Jews slain at the Chabad center. During the service, Moshe burst into tears and called out "Ima," Hebrew for "mother."
I mean regarding the way they died and understanding the kind of worthless fuck that it takes to become a 'terrorist' and take innocent peoples lives all in the name of 'jihad'.
I second this, I am out gunned and out drawn, I'm not playing hero. I'll do what is most likely to keep me alive and that more than likely is to find cover or run. I'd probably unholster once I was hidden, because if I am discovered and cornered, my best chance of survival changes from running to fighting.
Plus the local cops are as likely to shoot you as they are anyone else with a gun...
Actually they were cowering in the corner so you are in the clear.
A single person with a handgun (personal CCW) might have had some impact:
1) created a diversion, drawing the attacker's attention away from his loved ones
2) ambushed one or maybe two of them causing wounds that might eventually take them out of the fight
BUT only at great risk to him/herself.
As far as handguns vs. assault rifles argument goes it can be a M.A.D. situation:
1) remember the FBI desk jockeys that confronted the heavily armed bank robbers in south FL in the 80's - the two assault weapon wielding BG's were killed, but only after taking out several agents armed with handguns.
2) In California traffic cops armed with handguns prevented heavily armed bank robbers wearing body armor and kevlar helmets from escaping and eventually killed them.
I guess what I'm trying to say is YES someone with a handgun could have made a difference, but it may not have been a significant difference and it probably would have cost that person their life.
Sounds like a couple people were in that position. Like 172 of them.
At least it would give people a fighting chance. They're also saying that the hostages were tortured before they were killed.
There are many report of people who got very close to the terrorists and lived, unarmed. If any of those people had a gun it might have made a big difference.
Hell, look at how close these photographers got.